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LOCKDOWN
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Last Updated:
23:30 March 1st
... next
hoped for
opening,
Friday
... heaven
only
knows
!! 2021
?!? We have no date at all in mind now, not before late spring, early summer. If then. Not good at all. There is an explanation of this background map further below, scroll right down, and use F11 for full screen WELCOME TO ALL OUR WEBSITE VISITORS A very warm welcome to all our visitors, and especially to all those ex-Sutton & Wawne folk who may have long since left these 'gentle climes' for other abodes in the far corners of this globe. With special greetings for those of you now settled in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa or the USA, or even anywhere within our Commonwealth and this great world-wide family of English-speaking peoples. For all of you who were born, worshipped 
or were
married here
in Sutton or
Wawne,or have loved ones resting here - to you all, wherever in the world you live now, an especially warm welcome indeed. We're pleased you have discovered us - do enjoy. Photos of all 14 CWGC War Graves in St James' churchyard were posted on the appropriate page, added for Armistice Day back in 2009. Photos of the further 5 Family War Graves and Memorials were added in time for Armistice Day in 2014. A database of the 420+ men on all of our memorial plaques was started in 2014, and completed in time for the 2018 anniversaries. The new plaques can be seen on the War Memorial ~ The vases of daffodils are to cheer all ex-pat Sutton & Wawne folk who are in need of some cheering up right now. Clicking the buttons further below will start or stop a short peal of Sutton's bells. They were added at Christmas, 2003. May you all enjoy your visit and brief stay with us. We hope you will call again. And of course, if you have a Family History query we can help with . . . we're here to help !
or
the
churchbells
The background map shown here has a full explanation right at the bottom of this page; scroll right down, and use F11 for full effect. The Background map of The Groves that was here on this page, along with a lengthy explanation of the history of this former Sutton parish area, is now on a dedicated page of its own. It can be accessed by clicking . . . The Groves This Old School was already a venue for local organisations; bcv! eg: the Sutton Branch of the W.I. met here on Wednesday evenings, and
the local
Tai-Chi club
on Monday
evenings.
Details of how to Hire THE OLD SCHOOL are here, and more photos showing the venue are here.
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Founded by Merrill Rhodes, and husband Peter, we are a local Folk Museum & Family History Centre inside this Grade II listed school building of 1859; the oldest former council school in Hull still used for educational purposes: staffed entirely by Volunteers and supported by visitor donations; Press F11 to view this site Full Screen - without toolbars! You can also drag the menu out of the way to the left. |
Click Here also to enter Our Museum Pages A Map to Find Us at HU7 4TL The little dead-end side road is a free car park Our area covers the historic parishes of both Sutton and Wawne villages. Sutton parish also included Stoneferry, Wilmington, St Marks and The Groves, all the way down to the north side of Witham, until the 1880s when new churches were built. |
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WITH FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH every Friday 10 till 2 not just Sutton & Wawne; ALL areas of the UK ! Donations Always Welcome! 
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We can take a photo of your child for you in our re-creation of a Victorian School photo ? Even using one of these Victorian iPads!   Click these Chalkboards for More Details! |
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FIND CENSUS
RECORDS & interpretation of Service Records ships, regiments & squadrons found; both Royal & Merchant Navy; Troopships & Convoys; lost trawlers, etc 
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We are proud to be supported by: several local schools and the Sutton in Holderness Conservation Society and many individual generous donors. A full list of all our existing Friends and Supporters appears on our Friends Page
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School Visits from All Schools very Welcome; if you can get here, we'll entertain you ! We can also host arranged visits by Church Groups, Townswomens' Guilds, Womens' Institutes, Clubs & Societies. Click the railway station sign to see our restored station seat  You can contact us at: admin@suttonandwawnemuseum.org.uk 
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This website, and all its associated pages, is brought to you by the Sutton & Wawne Museum, a Free Museum inside the Old School, Sutton on Hull. Sutton & Wawne Museum ~ inside The Old School ~ 25 Church St ~ Sutton on Hull ~ HU7 4TL ~~ www.suttonandwawnemuseum.org.uk ~~ admin@suttonandwawnemuseum.org.uk |
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Sutton
& Wawne
Museum
Lockdown News
The only news
we have is
that we're
still closed,
and likely to
remain so for
some time
still.
If you
seriously want
more bad
news, we
recommend you
go to the
usual media
news channels,
who can be
relied upon to
put a damper
on
anything.
If there is
any good news,
like progress
with the
vaccine, they
can usually
punch a deep
hole in it to
keep folks
depressed and
ever more
anxious. And
if there is
anything to
laugh at, you
can be sure
that offends
someone
somewhere and
will soon be
made illegal.
But we'll keep you laughing here until we are locked up. It could be worse .. the 1650s of Cromwell's time were said to be not a lot of fun either ... but at least they could go out, when they were not fighting. The British TV mainstream media really need to lighten up!
We
were looking
forward to
welcoming
visitors back
in March ...
that seems
unlikely now.
Shall we try for June .. .. .. ? 
 We
wish all our
many friends,
supporters and
well-wishers,
wherever in
the world they
are, all the
very
best.
Chin Up !!
Right
now, perhaps
many of us are
in need of
some cheering
up. In
which case,
can I
recommend a
brief
interlude by
posting the
following:
PAM
AYRES
By
golly, don't
we all really
need a good
laugh right
now. For
those that are
not old enough
to remember
Pam Ayres, she
is a very
funny lady
from deepest
Oxfordshire,
still going
strong with
her own brand
of wit.
Here's her 2020 Virus Poem: this link to it is on the website: Rotary Club of Melbourne in Victoria. English humour from Australia! Well done Pam, you don't 'alf travel well ... I hope she wouldn't mind a link being posted here, but your webmaster is a very old fan. I
remember the
teeth!
And not
spotting the
perils
beneath!
Nuff said!
And if you're still really bored and would like to browse an 
album, we have
now made
available just
one album from
our extensive
collection
online, which
previously
could only be
viewed by
visiting the
museum.
It is planned
to change the
album to a
fresh one
perhaps once a
month or so,
depending on
how it goes.
Click the
album, or
EVENTS button
in the menu to
view.
LOCKDOWN
ECHOES
It is very quiet in the Old School Museum Even the mice have gone to sleep Nothing moves, and all is still .. .. No sounds, no laughter, not even a peep. But hark, is that a creak .. ? Of a squeaky floor or a wooden door ... ... a softly closing desk lid enhancing the echos of children, long, long, past - in gentle laughter and the joys of dancing. For if we stand, and listen, so very quietly We can hear in those very rafters their joyful songs, and a glee that lasts and will still be sensed by those who come here in years long after ... long after we all have long since passed. © 2020 . . . Sutton & Wawne Museum
These images
were taken by
Eric Johnson
for the
Dominoes
series
of teaching books. Our own collection of the series is incomplete, and so these have been supplied from scans done by Amanda Denwood who now lives in Cumbria. Amanda visited the museum last year, and noted which books were missing, and offered to scan the missing ones for us from her own collection. 
For folks
longing for a
semblance of
the past,
even the distant past in that far off childhood country called Nostalgialand, we have a few copies of a new book to offer, by former Sutton resident and long-time friend of our museum, Andrew Suddaby. 
More general to Britain, but with nods to some Hull memories that are not specific to Sutton, this short book in a nice sized font for easy reading is a general tour of what we did, watched, and listened to in the UK years ago. Priced
at £7.00
including UK
postage only
it will be on offer inside the museum for £5 when we re-open. Sorry,
overseas
postage cannot
be offered
right now,
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T
H
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B A C K G R O
U N D M
A P
.. click the little map at the bottom of this page to see a clearer map in a full window: backspace to return ..
This version
of our
(former)
background map
is one of our
earliest, or
supposedly
so.
Based on a map
said to be
dating from
1855, there
are some
significant
changes to the
maps we
usually see of
this village.
Or more
correctly,
features we
are used to
seeing but did
not exist when
this land was
surveyed.
There is also
at least one
serious
anomaly, with
this
date.
The Old
School, as we
all know,
opened in
1859, and so
is not shown
here. The map,
here 'dated
1855', was
obviously
surveyed just
before the
school was
built.
We can also note that we still have a 'High Street', rather than the later 'Church Street'. That is no mistake, it was just so back then. But a real and major 'error' is that we clearly have a railway and its station. How could this be so .. when the railway did not open, history tells us, until 1864? We see the station master's house is not yet built either, but could that empty box be the foundations for it? The conclusion must be that this is an amalgam of several surveys, some earlier, some later, and not just 1855. Indeed, looking at the original map published online by the National Library of Scotland, we see we have a very broad range of dates for all the surveys, 1842 to 1855. So we have a railway, and a station, neither of which existed in 1855. Perhaps the range of dates should have said 1842 to 1865. So this map is a little wayward, which teaches us that all old maps of this nature should be treated, if not with suspicion, then certainly with caution. This is where having a basic handle on the history of your area can help you spot such anomalies. There is nothing wrong with the accuracy of the map in itself, just with the date attributed to it. But for all that, it is still a good map, and still very useful. The (empty) site of the school is very clear, as are the former single story cottages which stood in a continous row almost up to the old 'Workhouse'. We see how that juts out into the street, just as it appears in our old photographs of 30 years later. What at first glance looks to be a marking for a Post Office, PO, shown in front of the old cottages, is no such thing, for on closer inspection it becomes clear as simply a 'P' ... and a tiny circle, on old maps a common marking for a pump, perhaps the village pump and long before piped water. Later maps do mark those cottages as also having a pump in their grounds at the back, and the far end one was later marked as a blacksmiths. The slightly thicker line under the word 'Pinfold' is roughly where the school wall boundary to the present free car park is now. And that very word, pinfold, was still used for that same entrance to the back fields right up to the 1960s. Anciently, a pinfold was a small enclosure in a village where stray animals or livestock could be impounded and kept until claimed by their owners, or even sold to cover the costs. Many villages had them, and the name widely survives around the country, long after the original use indicated by the name had ceased. In Sutton, old pupils who attended the school as recently as the 1950s have told us their memories of how they left the pony that they rode to school on 'in the pinfold'. Particularly the girls, from the outlying farms, who would use their pony to come to school, leave it tethered to a fence in the pinfold for the school day with a small bag of hay for sustenance, until the ride home at about 4pm. And, presumably, a topped up water trough too. We're told that there could be several ponies tethered there at any one time! The very first of the line of old cottages shown here survives today, at the front of our Old School, now the Church Office and likewise with a Grade II listing for posterity. The old Workhouse, previously mentioned, later became the 'wedding green' part of the churchyard garden, and is today next to our War Memorial. The high brick wall at the back of the wedding green rose garden, being the boundary to the higher churchyard, was fashioned from salvaged old bricks when the Workhouse was later demolished. We can also just see the emergence of Leads Rd, top left, the early days of 'West Parade', and what would become Mona House. We can note the marking of a 'Guide Post' on the far side of the 'T' junction with Wawne Road. I'm sure that was the very same post that once guided me to turn right or left on routes 36 or 37 when I first came to live in Hull ! The wobbly line, with the spot height number 25, is the contour line around the heart of the village, indicating that the ridge on which the village sits lies at a significant height above the surrounding flatter landscape, being 25 feet in old English money at that point - or just short of 8 metres - above sea level. The lower part of that 8 metres will be the average sea level height between the lowest and heighest tides, and is a good deal lower than the highest water to be seen in the River Hull at Sutton Rd Bridge today when it is nearly overtopping the bank. The 25ft line follows the site of the grassy slope formerly at the rear of the school, of fond memory to generations of pupils that enjoyed playing on the fresh grass bank in spring, or sledging down the fresh snow in winter. The true height of Sutton's ridge is indicated by other spot heights around the village, showing small variations of between 28 to 32 feet at the highest. The triangular symbol on the church tower shows there was a worthwhile view to the west from the top, and that the tower itself could be used as a 'trig point' for surveyors. It's a surprise, and hard to credit, that at a point just along Salthouse Rd, back then called Bilton Lane, at 34 feet, the land was actually a couple of feet higher than the site of St James's Church - the archaic grammer replicated here just as seen on the map. Sutton residents of many years will easily spot that there are some significant residences missing, notably the terraced range of Church Mount and the extension to the 'Ladies Hospital' which now forms a rounded corner of Lowgate and today is termed the 'Ladies College'. The line of Potterill Lane is clearly visible, though not named as such then. One old Sutton resident is sure it once had the name 'Love Lane', but we have found no maps that designated it as such. Similarly, the line of Lime Tree Avenue, and perhaps they really are the very same lime trees that gave the avenue its name, planted long before the rows of dwellings down there. Both public houses are shown, as are 'Chamberlain's Charity Church of England Schools', undoubtedly the forerunner of our own - now very old - school, but not quite built then - though I imagine plans were well in hand. The extra symbolism, the animals and creatures, are mine of course, and not part of the original map. Anyone who knows me and my family roots will understand the reason for that particular fox, though undoubtedly, they would have been enough of them in this area to be a concern to any of these householders that kept fowl, and that would be most of them. Even the big houses, then increasingly being built by wealthy business and shipping folk from Hull, would have had their own chicken coops and pigsties somewhere on their land, maintained by their servants, of course. What is also very noticeable to Sutton experts on first glance is the amount of land occupied by orchards, of various sizes. No shortage of apples and pears here, and I daresay nor for most other native prized fruits at the time. We can even see the gap in the buildings, still there today, just inside Lowgate, the site of the now famous 'Pear Tree Cottage' where the pear tree still comes into full leaf every spring, and that same house being one of the very first homes of Sutton's own 'Telephone Exchange'. We're talking 1910 here, or the years just before the First War. That pear tree, by the way, has it's own listing in the city council's list of heritage trees in the wider Sutton conservation area. For those not familiar with it, I've marked it with the tidliest of marks right on the front of the house where it stands today. All the colourisation here is also mine, and it's worth also noting that the larger individual trees shown here would most certainly have been here at that time. Surveyors and cartographers did not put them in for decoration, no matter how much a bit of basic amateur artistry makes them appear so. No doubt others who know the village better, and their own houses or businesses more intimately, will see other signs of the later changes to come, of individual new houses and rather less of orchards and green space as the population grew, largely a result of the opening of that still new railway. But, despite all that extra building, and all the changes where Sutton has lost buildings, particularly the big houses since the 1950s, the road layout is still pretty much the same, and Sutton is still a village that could recognisably be the Sutton of this map, should a resident of 1855 be able come back and see it today. It still retains a lot of its old character and atmosphere in abundance. For those interested in perusing it further, a better version can be seen in its own window by clicking here.  |
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The
Webmanager's
Favourite
Historical
Quote I first discovered this incisive quote, when I was well past 60. I realised that this is exactly what my history teacher at Crown Hills School was trying to teach us over 50 years ago, albeit in not so many words. For these words ring just as true now as they did back then, even more so with the pace of change today being so much faster than my own childhood days. If those of our children - that show an interest in their history - understand these thoughts below by the time they leave school, they will be well on their way to understanding not only themselves, but their own country. Trevallyn's very last sentence sums it all up very well. "In
political
history one
King at a time
reigns; one
Parliament at
a time sits.
But in social
history we
find in every
period several
different
kinds of
social and
economic
organisation
going on
simultaneously
in the same
country, the
same shire,
the same town.
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