23:30 March 1st
We have no date at all in mind now, not before late spring, early summer. If then. Not good at all.
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WELCOME TO ALL OUR WEBSITE VISITORS
A very warm welcome to all our visitors,
and especially to all those
ex-Sutton & Wawne folk who
may have long since left these 'gentle climes'
for other abodes in the far corners of this globe.
With special greetings for those of you now settled
in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa or
the USA, or even anywhere within our Commonwealth and
this great world-wide family of English-speaking peoples.
For all of you who were born, worshipped
or were married here in Sutton or Wawne,
or have loved ones resting here -
to you all, wherever in the world you live now,
an especially warm welcome indeed.
We're pleased you have discovered us -
Photos of all 14 CWGC War Graves in St James' churchyard
were posted on the appropriate page,
added for Armistice Day back in 2009.
Photos of the further 5 Family War Graves and Memorials were
added in time for Armistice Day in 2014. A database of the 420+ men
on all of our memorial plaques was started in 2014, and completed in time
for the 2018 anniversaries. The new plaques can be seen on the War Memorial ~
The vases of daffodils are to cheer all ex-pat Sutton & Wawne folk
who are in need of some cheering up right now.
Clicking the buttons further below will start or stop a short peal
of Sutton's bells. They were added at Christmas, 2003.
May you all enjoy your visit
and brief stay with us.
We hope you will call again.
And of course, if you have a Family History
query we can help with . . . we're here to help !
or the churchbells
The background map shown here has a full explanation right at the bottom
of this page; scroll right down, and use F11 for full effect.
The Background map of The Groves that was here on this page,
along with a lengthy explanation of the history of this former
Sutton parish area, is now on a dedicated page of its own.
It can be accessed by clicking . . . The Groves
This Old School was already a venue for local organisations; bcv!
eg: the Sutton Branch of the W.I. met here on Wednesday evenings,
and the local Tai-Chi club on Monday evenings.
Details of how to Hire THE OLD SCHOOL are here, and more photos showing the venue are here.
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the 2 school photos above
are historic postcards of 1910
A lot of family names & contacts
are already in our Guestbook ...
Why not add yours too .. ?
Founded by Merrill Rhodes, and husband Peter,
we are a local Folk Museum & Family History Centre
inside this Grade II listed school building of 1859;
the oldest former council school in Hull
still used for educational purposes:
staffed entirely by Volunteers and
supported by visitor donations;
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Click Here also to
enter Our Museum Pages
A Map to Find Us at HU7 4TL
The little dead-end side road is
a free car park
Our area covers the historic parishes of both
Sutton and Wawne villages.
Sutton parish also included Stoneferry, Wilmington, St Marks and The Groves,
all the way down to the north side of Witham,
until the 1880s when new
churches were built.
WE OFFER HELP
FAMILY HISTORY RESEARCH
every Friday 10 till 2
not just Sutton & Wawne;
ALL areas of the UK !
Donations Always Welcome!
We can take a photo of your child for you
in our re-creation of a Victorian School photo ?
Even using one of these Victorian iPads!
Click these Chalkboards for More Details!
interpretation of Service Records
ships, regiments & squadrons found;
both Royal & Merchant Navy;
Troopships & Convoys;
lost trawlers, etc
We are proud to be supported by:
several local schools and the
Sutton in Holderness
and many individual
A full list of all our existing
Friends and Supporters
appears on our Friends Page
G.D.P.R. Data Protection and What we do
our website is hosted by
Free Virtual Servers
which leads to our 'Friends Page' . .
G.D.P.R. Data Protection Declaration
We can also be found on our
Google Business Website
School Visits from All Schools
very Welcome; if you can get here,
we'll entertain you !
We can also host arranged visits by
Church Groups, Townswomens' Guilds,
Womens' Institutes, Clubs & Societies.
Click the railway station sign
to see our restored station seat
You can contact us at:
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The only news we have is that we're still closed, and likely to remain so for some time still. If you seriously want more bad news, we recommend you go to the usual media news channels, who can be relied upon to put a damper on anything. If there is any good news, like progress with the vaccine, they can usually punch a deep hole in it to keep folks depressed and ever more anxious. And if there is anything to laugh at, you can be sure that offends someone somewhere and will soon be made illegal.
But we'll keep you laughing here until we are locked up. It could be worse .. the 1650s of Cromwell's time were said to be not a lot of fun either ...
but at least they could go out, when they were not fighting.
The British TV mainstream media really need to lighten up!
We were looking forward to welcoming visitors back in March ... that seems unlikely now.
Shall we try for June .. .. .. ?
We wish all our many friends, supporters and well-wishers, wherever in the world they are, all the very best. Chin Up !!
Right now, perhaps many of us are in need of some cheering up. In which case, can I recommend a brief interlude by posting the following:
By golly, don't we all really need a good laugh right now. For those that are not old enough to remember Pam Ayres, she is a very funny lady from deepest Oxfordshire, still going strong with her own brand of wit.
Here's her 2020 Virus Poem: this link to it is on the website:
Rotary Club of Melbourne in Victoria. English humour from Australia!
Well done Pam, you don't 'alf travel well ... I hope she wouldn't mind a link being posted here, but your webmaster is a very old fan.
I remember the teeth! And not spotting the perils beneath! Nuff said!
And if you're still really bored and would like to browse an album, we have now made available just one album from our extensive collection online, which previously could only be viewed by visiting the museum. It is planned to change the album to a fresh one perhaps once a month or so, depending on how it goes.
Click the album, or EVENTS button in the menu to view.
It is very quiet in the Old School Museum
Even the mice have gone to sleep
Nothing moves, and all is still .. ..
No sounds, no laughter, not even a peep.
But hark, is that a creak .. ?
Of a squeaky floor or a wooden door ...
... a softly closing desk lid enhancing
the echos of children, long, long, past -
in gentle laughter and the joys of dancing.
For if we stand, and listen, so very quietly
We can hear in those very rafters
their joyful songs, and a glee that lasts
and will still be sensed by those
who come here in years long after ...
long after we all have long since passed.
© 2020 . . . Sutton & Wawne Museum
These images were taken by Eric Johnson for the Dominoes series
of teaching books. Our own collection of the series is incomplete, and so these have been supplied from scans done by Amanda Denwood who now lives in Cumbria. Amanda visited the museum last year, and noted which books were missing, and offered to scan the missing ones for us from her own collection.
For folks longing for a semblance of the past,
even the distant past in that far off childhood country
called Nostalgialand, we have a few copies of a new
book to offer, by former Sutton resident and long-time
friend of our museum, Andrew Suddaby.
More general to Britain, but with nods to some
Hull memories that are not specific to Sutton,
this short book in a nice sized font for easy reading
is a general tour of what we did, watched,
and listened to in the UK years ago.
Priced at £7.00 including UK postage only
it will be on offer inside the museum for £5 when we re-open.
Sorry, overseas postage cannot be offered right now,
and in anycase, the cost would probably exceed the book.
a small selection of miscellaneous
pics of Volunteer Staff memories are
now available to view for those staff
with the password to access them
Photo Album Archive
now complete up to Folder 19
and Wawne folders 1 - 4
B A C K G R O
U N D M
.. click the little map at the bottom of this page
to see a clearer map in a full window:
backspace to return ..
This version of our (former) background map is one of our earliest, or supposedly so. Based on a map said to be dating from 1855, there are some significant changes to the maps we usually see of this village. Or more correctly, features we are used to seeing but did not exist when this land was surveyed. There is also at least one serious anomaly, with this date. The Old School, as we all know, opened in 1859, and so is not shown here. The map, here 'dated 1855', was obviously surveyed just before the school was built.
We can also note that we still have a 'High Street', rather than the later 'Church Street'. That is no mistake, it was just so back then. But a real and major 'error' is that we clearly have a railway and its station. How could this be so .. when the railway did not open, history tells us, until 1864? We see the station master's house is not yet built either, but could that empty box be the foundations for it? The conclusion must be that this is an amalgam of several surveys, some earlier, some later, and not just 1855. Indeed, looking at the original map published online by the National Library of Scotland, we see we have a very broad range of dates for all the surveys, 1842 to 1855. So we have a railway, and a station, neither of which existed in 1855. Perhaps the range of dates should have said 1842 to 1865.
So this map is a little wayward, which teaches us that all old maps of this nature should be treated, if not with suspicion, then certainly with caution. This is where having a basic handle on the history of your area can help you spot such anomalies. There is nothing wrong with the accuracy of the map in itself, just with the date attributed to it. But for all that, it is still a good map, and still very useful.
The (empty) site of the school is very clear, as are the former single story cottages which stood in a continous row almost up to the old 'Workhouse'. We see how that juts out into the street, just as it appears in our old photographs of 30 years later. What at first glance looks to be a marking for a Post Office, PO, shown in front of the old cottages, is no such thing, for on closer inspection it becomes clear as simply a 'P' ... and a tiny circle, on old maps a common marking for a pump, perhaps the village pump and long before piped water. Later maps do mark those cottages as also having a pump in their grounds at the back, and the far end one was later marked as a blacksmiths.
The slightly thicker line under the word 'Pinfold' is roughly where the school wall boundary to the present free car park is now. And that very word, pinfold, was still used for that same entrance to the back fields right up to the 1960s. Anciently, a pinfold was a small enclosure in a village where stray animals or livestock could be impounded and kept until claimed by their owners, or even sold to cover the costs. Many villages had them, and the name widely survives around the country, long after the original use indicated by the name had ceased. In Sutton, old pupils who attended the school as recently as the 1950s have told us their memories of how they left the pony that they rode to school on 'in the pinfold'. Particularly the girls, from the outlying farms, who would use their pony to come to school, leave it tethered to a fence in the pinfold for the school day with a small bag of hay for sustenance, until the ride home at about 4pm. And, presumably, a topped up water trough too. We're told that there could be several ponies tethered there at any one time!
The very first of the line of old cottages shown here survives today, at the front of our Old School, now the Church Office and likewise with a Grade II listing for posterity. The old Workhouse, previously mentioned, later became the 'wedding green' part of the churchyard garden, and is today next to our War Memorial. The high brick wall at the back of the wedding green rose garden, being the boundary to the higher churchyard, was fashioned from salvaged old bricks when the Workhouse was later demolished. We can also just see the emergence of Leads Rd, top left, the early days of 'West Parade', and what would become Mona House. We can note the marking of a 'Guide Post' on the far side of the 'T' junction with Wawne Road. I'm sure that was the very same post that once guided me to turn right or left on routes 36 or 37 when I first came to live in Hull !
The wobbly line, with the spot height number 25, is the contour line around the heart of the village, indicating that the ridge on which the village sits lies at a significant height above the surrounding flatter landscape, being 25 feet in old English money at that point - or just short of 8 metres - above sea level. The lower part of that 8 metres will be the average sea level height between the lowest and heighest tides, and is a good deal lower than the highest water to be seen in the River Hull at Sutton Rd Bridge today when it is nearly overtopping the bank. The 25ft line follows the site of the grassy slope formerly at the rear of the school, of fond memory to generations of pupils that enjoyed playing on the fresh grass bank in spring, or sledging down the fresh snow in winter.
The true height of Sutton's ridge is indicated by other spot heights around the village, showing small variations of between 28 to 32 feet at the highest. The triangular symbol on the church tower shows there was a worthwhile view to the west from the top, and that the tower itself could be used as a 'trig point' for surveyors. It's a surprise, and hard to credit, that at a point just along Salthouse Rd, back then called Bilton Lane, at 34 feet, the land was actually a couple of feet higher than the site of St James's Church - the archaic grammer replicated here just as seen on the map.
Sutton residents of many years will easily spot that there are some significant residences missing, notably the terraced range of Church Mount and the extension to the 'Ladies Hospital' which now forms a rounded corner of Lowgate and today is termed the 'Ladies College'. The line of Potterill Lane is clearly visible, though not named as such then. One old Sutton resident is sure it once had the name 'Love Lane', but we have found no maps that designated it as such. Similarly, the line of Lime Tree Avenue, and perhaps they really are the very same lime trees that gave the avenue its name, planted long before the rows of dwellings down there. Both public houses are shown, as are 'Chamberlain's Charity Church of England Schools', undoubtedly the forerunner of our own - now very old - school, but not quite built then - though I imagine plans were well in hand.
The extra symbolism, the animals and creatures, are mine of course, and not part of the original map. Anyone who knows me and my family roots will understand the reason for that particular fox, though undoubtedly, they would have been enough of them in this area to be a concern to any of these householders that kept fowl, and that would be most of them. Even the big houses, then increasingly being built by wealthy business and shipping folk from Hull, would have had their own chicken coops and pigsties somewhere on their land, maintained by their servants, of course.
What is also very noticeable to Sutton experts on first glance is the amount of land occupied by orchards, of various sizes. No shortage of apples and pears here, and I daresay nor for most other native prized fruits at the time. We can even see the gap in the buildings, still there today, just inside Lowgate, the site of the now famous 'Pear Tree Cottage' where the pear tree still comes into full leaf every spring, and that same house being one of the very first homes of Sutton's own 'Telephone Exchange'. We're talking 1910 here, or the years just before the First War. That pear tree, by the way, has it's own listing in the city council's list of heritage trees in the wider Sutton conservation area. For those not familiar with it, I've marked it with the tidliest of marks right on the front of the house where it stands today.
All the colourisation here is also mine, and it's worth also noting that the larger individual trees shown here would most certainly have been here at that time. Surveyors and cartographers did not put them in for decoration, no matter how much a bit of basic amateur artistry makes them appear so.
No doubt others who know the village better, and their own houses or businesses more intimately, will see other signs of the later changes to come, of individual new houses and rather less of orchards and green space as the population grew, largely a result of the opening of that still new railway. But, despite all that extra building, and all the changes where Sutton has lost buildings, particularly the big houses since the 1950s, the road layout is still pretty much the same, and Sutton is still a village that could recognisably be the Sutton of this map, should a resident of 1855 be able come back and see it today. It still retains a lot of its old character and atmosphere in abundance.
For those interested in perusing it further, a better version can be seen in its own window by clicking here.
I first discovered this incisive quote, when I was well past 60. I realised that this is exactly what my history teacher at Crown Hills School was trying to teach us over 50 years ago, albeit in not so many words.
For these words ring just as true now as they did back then, even more so with the pace of change today being so much faster than my own childhood days. If those of our children - that show an interest in their history - understand these thoughts below by the time they leave school, they will be well on their way to understanding not only themselves, but their own country. Trevallyn's very last sentence sums it all up very well.
King at a time
a time sits.
But in social
find in every
in the same
the same town.