SUTTON & WAWNE MUSEUM

inside the Old School, Sutton on Hull, East Yorkshire

M  I  L  I  T  A  R  Y     A  R  C  H  I  V  E  S
of     the    TWO    WORLD    WARS

Includes a list of
"QUESTIONS FOR OLD SOLDIERS" ,
being a dozen or so suggested questions younger
Family Historians could ask their grandparents
about their time in the Armed Forces

MOST OF THESE LINKS ARE GENERALLY FREE TO VISIT,
to view the specific site.
We will indicate any link that makes a charge to view information,
though most of them on here are FREE.

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WE NOW ONLY POST NEW LINKS RELATING TO BRITISH HISTORY

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SERIOUS HISTORY LINKS
Old Books and MSS


At risk of viewers thinking we may be trying to guide them away
from our own site, we post even more History Links on yet another page
to other sites of more general, but even deeper historical interest.
Some have connections to the East Riding, and some to the wider UK,
and the first ones are to FREE eBooks. I know it sounds improbable,
but they are genuinely free to use. Once there, just watch for futher links
to not-so-free products or services. Be careful where you 'click, tap, or point'.

And do 'Bookmark' us so that you can come back here and find us again.


TIPS ON BROKEN OR OBSOLETE LINKS
SCREENSHOTS SAVES THE DAY!

With the internet as we know it being now some 30 years old, it stands to reason that many original links and website addresses will have changed over the years, or even no longer exist. I'm sure you've sometimes clicked a link and nothing happens, or an annoying page of adverts you didn't want pops up. It's the same with me, it happens occasionally when I check this links page that some no longer work. Sometimes, the address has changed ever so slightly, but often it's disappeared entirely. If there is a page you used to visit, that no longer exists, and desperately need to see again, all may not be lost. It may be a page you wrote, on a site that went down, and you want to recover the text. There is an excellent archive site, that continuously trawls the web and archives pages at regular intervals, say every couple of months or so.

But, before you despair and give up, try this tip : many websites still have the same address, but for one letter, an 'S' ... where the site has gone 'secure' and so adds an 's' to the http. So, just type an 's' before the double // .. hit enter, and as often as not, it may well work.

Commonly known as the SCREENSHOTS .. it is now a recommended replacement to the WAY BACK MACHINE which I recommended before. That was good, but it has fell by the wayside in that it is no longer updated. I spotted a link to SCREENSHOTS online, and here it is. Like the WBM, it does indeed go way back, and can often retrieve pages we may have thought long lost. It's very good for web historians to track how a particular site has evolved over the years. If you ever had a site of your own, for more than a few months, and the server went down and you lost all your info without any backup, you may well find it is still mostly there. If you have a broken link still saved in your Favorites, then you already have the address or URL. Just copy the link, and paste it into the search box at SCREENSHOTS ... the older aerial views of Hull and East Riding towns shown further below is a good example. The pages are all still there, including most of the photographs, as they were when last archived in 2007, but they're just not on the original URL of . . . http://tlfe.org.uk/air/. Paste that address into the SCREENSHOTS and hey presto ... all is not lost. Oh, I nearly forgot to mention, it is free, just as WBM was. Yes, free to all comers. Once again, what a resource! And thanks to those who devised and maintain it now. The servers and hard drives must be phenomenal in size.





NOW TO THE REST ....

LINKS TO CHARITIES SUCH AS
THE BRITISH LEGION and BRITISH ARMED FORCES

voluntary organisations are kept; because they represent the men
and women who fought for our freedoms, and the many who
paid for those freedoms with their lives, in order
for us to have any history worth celebrating.


THE LEONARD CHESHIRE FOUNDATION
is one of the most worthwhile organisations ever set up, and also one of the most
widely known. For those not aware,
Group Captain Leonard Cheshire, VC, OM, DSO & Two Bars, DFC ,
was one such man, who fought for our freedoms, and set up this
humanitarian organisation which, along with the one set up by his
second wife, Sue Ryder, sort of kick-started today's hospice movement
for people with terminal illnesses.


And, LEST WE FORGET -
Over the years, we have all known many ex-servicemen and women who gave of their best years to serve in the forces, whether as volunteers or by conscription. We young'uns who came along in the 1950s have probably enjoyed the very best that Britain has ever been able to offer, thanks to the peace and security those hundreds of thousands of men and women gave us.

This is one way we can help, to say thanks to those who came home,
and Give Thanks for the lives of those who didn't.

The Royal British Legion Home Page
Did you know that you don't have to have been
in the Forces to join the Royal British Legion?

And for Family Historians, here is another potentially very useful link -
indispensable some would say. Go straight to the
COMMONWEALTH WAR GRAVES COMMISSION
We hope it helps -

- it truly is an olympic site and archive of hundreds of thousands of names;
and that includes BOTH World Wars;
ALL 4 services including the Merchant Marine, and Civilians killed in the UK,
and ALL countries of the Empire and Commonwealth.
Even if your relative was lost at sea, he or she will be honoured on this database.

Reading This Page will inform anyone about our policy regarding adding links, what type of links we are interested in, and most firmly what type of link we have no interest in. Reading it will save them, and us, an enormous amount of time.
We do British history, nothing else.



SUTTON WAR MEMORIAL ROLL OF HONOUR
- a list of all the names on all the plaques, from both World Wars. Also now included are the men of St Marks and The Groves, Stoneferry and Wilmington. All names should also be able to be checked out at the CWCG site above. Additionally, as of Jan 2014, we now have a searchable database in the museum of all the WW1 dead of Sutton. Over the next 4 years, we will complete it for the former parishes of Stoneferry, Wilmington, and The Groves, which historically were all part of the wider Sutton parish, until around 1887. Folks may be surprised to know that Sutton parish extended right down to the north side of Witham.

ST PETER'S WAR MEMORIAL
also has a page and a Roll of Honour for their three war dead -


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  MILITARY ARCHIVES AND THE TWO WORLD WARS
There's a group of links further down this page specifically to Military Archives dealing with records from both World Wars. Some sites just list the details of archives that are available if you write or visit, mostly in London, and others are sites where some information is available on line.


LINKS TO SITES OF MILITARY INTEREST FOR
RESEARCHERS OF FAMILY HISTORY

do note that these links are not posted in any particular order, usually just as
I came to them; some of these near the top could be the newest.

KINGSTON UPON HULL WAR MEMORIAL 1914 - 1918
A brilliantly executed website, both a memorial and research site, dedicated to the 7,500 or so men from Hull who lost their lives in WW1. Searches can be by name, regiment and service, and most incredibly, even by street. Every Hull street that lost a resident is listed, and going down the list of streets and seeing the totals for each is sobering enough in itself. The amount of information to be found on individual casualties belies the amount of research and hard work in compiling the associated databases, let alone the skill and artistic accomplishment in bringing it to the web. Thanks Paul, this has all the hallmarks of a labour of love, and I noted the dedications at the bottom of the page. I imagine, many Hull families will have conveyed their thanks to you already, and many more will do so in the fullness of time.

HULL PEOPLE'S MEMORIAL
Another remarkable site, linked strongly to HEROES of HULL above, raising funds for a city centre memorial to Hull's 1,200 civilian war dead, planned to be on the Prudential Corner site. The shop in Whitefriargate is a little treasure trove of information and artefacts of both world wars, but with special emphasis on Hull's long-neglected blitz in 1940-43. A story that has long needed telling, to our visitors and the wider nation in general, they tell and show it very well indeed, and all credit to all those involved. When it comes to family history associated with Hull's blitz, researching wardens, emergency workers, records of addresses and bomb damage, they are a very good first place to start, with more information coming in all the time.

THE YORKSHIRE REGIMENT
. . . the successor to both the East and West Yorkshires, the Green Howards, and the Duke of Wellington's Regiment. Their website takes you to their regimental museum pages, with a comprehensive regimental history of not just both world wars, but many other conflicts too. There are a surprising number of records you can access online, though some WW2 records pertaining to men enlisted and discharged are not yet available online. Most WW1 records are.

HULL & EAST RIDING AT WAR This site seems to have gone down ... unavailable. For how long, who knows. If anyone knows where they've gone ... ?

HULL BLITZ MAPS - maps plotting the fall of bombs - this links to a new window and a set of 16 scans of a large streetmap of Hull, dated 1945, onto which has been entered details of the fall of HE bombs and mines for the period 1940-44. The many more thousands of incendiary bombs cannot be shown, there simply were far to many to count.
Each section loads separately in a new window, and was roughly A4 in size.

NEW HULL BLITZ MAP - is a new INTERACTIVE HULL BOMBMAP for 2011
Sadly, for some reason, this no longer works. Runs on MS-Silverlight, which is an Add-On similar to Adobe Flash, but is no longer updated, so browsers won't load it. Shame, because it was very good. So it seems, it's back to the old one above I'm afraid, basic though it is. There's no clue on the site as to who owns or runs it, so I can't even get in touch with them.

RAF SUTTON ON HULL
There is now this excellent Website devoted entirely to RAF Sutton, and the Balloon and Firefighting Squadrons stationed there over the years. It contains photos, station plan and a full history, indeed, the contents of the book by the late Leonard Bacon. With a foreword by Merrill Rhodes, it is as she says, an excellent read, full of humour and pathos as well as history. Having seen this new site for myself, I am in awe at the layout and clarity, and must congratulate the people at HullWebs above, who have hosted Len's pages in such a magnificent way. A fine memorial to both RAF Sutton and Len himself. To say it comes Highly Recommended is only the half of it. Enjoy!

THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN HISTORICAL SOCIETY
an updated link - 1940 added to the address. This site used to have a link to a page listing the details of Flight Lieutenant Paterson Clarence Hughes DFC, of 234 Squadron, who came from Cooma in New South Wales in Australia, and is buried in St James' churchyard, Sutton. If you explore the site, you'll also find links to several Hull and East Riding men who served and lost their lives in that battle. There's also more information about this pilot on our War Memorial page.

NORTH-EAST DIARY 1939 -1945 - by the late Roy Ripley & Brian Pears - another stupendous site that also documents much of the heartache that the North-East underwent during those dark years. RAF casualties and crash landings at numerous airfields, ships built on the Tyne, all sorts of incidents, some of which tie in with the civilian casualties in the list above, make this an incredible archive for those interested in the Home Front of WW2 and family historians alike. Many references to Hull and the East Riding area. Enough to keep you busy all evening.

HOME SWEET HOME FRONT - a comprehensive site documenting life on the Home Front during WW2. Contains a good page on the Women's Land Army, telling how a force of 80,000 women by 1944 were working the land, literally, farming, forestry, every aspect of agriculture. Also contains pages on the WVS, Women's Voluntary Service, and Home Guard, LDV.

FORGOTTEN HEROES - The Wartime Memories Project
Subscription site to access their library - a remarkable website detailing the work of those who had to stay behind. Not everyone could go into the forces - age, or health, could be a factor, or even being in an already "reserved occupation", like mining. Some lads would loved to have joined up and had the chance to go overseas, with all its risks, but instead found themselves as Bevin Boys - sent down t'pit. Being over 40, and perhaps not classed as A1 fit didn't mean they couldn't "serve" - there was always firewatching. And many died doing it. Plus Ambulance Drivers, Firefighters and Firewatchers, Observer Corps, and any number of women's organisations. They all deserve our thanks too.

It's a fact that if some young folk were to go into most old folk's homes, residential homes, today, and spoke to the residents about their trades and jobs in that decade of war years, they would find nearly all were ex-servicemen and women, factory girls making parachutes or uniforms or shells or parts for tanks and lorries, miners, firewatchers (some had to do both !), and many more besides. Very few people, by 1943, got away with doing nothing to help the war effort. And those that did were ostracised by their communities and families. It was easier to do one's bit than skive off.

RAF HOLMPTON - the top-secret underground Cold War Bunker, open to the public since 2007, with guided tours. A fascinating look at a hitherto unsuspected fact of life on the East Yorkshire coast just south of Withernsea. It houses the only surviving Radar Projection Table in the UK. This is one of the Command Centres that would have run the British nuclear reaction had the 'four-minute warning' been sounded. Though what use four minutes would have done for most of us, I am at a loss to imagine. However, a very Informative website.

EVERYTHING FIRE FIGHTERS - from 911 Fire Fighters to World Trade Center Firemen. Countless links here celebrating the skills and bravery of Firefighters the world over. This link appears here due to their interest in RAF Sutton as a pioneer of military aviation firefighting. We're proud to show them here.




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For Remembrance -

MORE MILITARY LINKS


Most WW1 & WW2 Links specific to Hull and the East Riding
are nearer the top of this page,
though there are two repeated below.

Just a suggestion, before you start - have a look at this list of
"QUESTIONS FOR OLD SOLDIERS".
A Help Sheet specifically provided for young people.
It opens in a separate window, and you can print the questions leaving space for the answers you may get. If you can get answers to most of these, you'll be off to a magnificent start, as well as knowing your grandparent like never before.

MORE HELP SPECIFICALLY FOR YOUNG PERSONS . . . in understanding the vast numbers involved in the military during WW1. How many men were in a battalion, brigade, division, etc ? What was a Corps ?
This link is to a web page of explanation, written by the webmaster of this site, which hopefully will give you some basic help in understanding how many men were involved in what types of unit. It may help you to define just where and how your relative served. I've seen so many folks on the web asking these very same questions.

All these following links also open in a new browser window, leaving this Sutton page still open behind. Use ALT + Tab to alternate between them if you wish, or the Tab facility in Firefox.

HULL VETERANS SUPPORT CENTRE
FORCES VETERANS .. Soldiers Sailors & Airmen .. .. .. of all types, all ages,
a local help and support organisation. Based on Beverley Rd in Hull, HVSC offer help to any ex-Forces personnel who might require it. A place where ex-Forces can meet and enjoy each other's company and also find many contacts for help and assistance. They rely soley on donations and genererous gifts of cash and goods from companies and private individuals.

WESTERN FRONT ASSOCIATION - was formed with the aim of furthering interest in the period 1914-1918, to perpetuate the memory, courage and comradeship of all those who served their countries in France and Flanders and their own countries during The Great War. It does not seek to justify or glorify war. It is not a re-enactment society, nor is it commercially motivated. It is entirely non-political. The object of The Association is to educate the public in the history of The Great War with particular reference to the Western Front. Applications for membership are welcomed from anyone with a like mind.
(this above was taken from their intro on their Home Page - a most worthwhile site indeed).

WORLD WAR I - TRENCHES ON THE WEB - a complete directory of maps of the main areas of operation in Europe, 1914-1918.

AN OUTLINE TO THE CAUSES OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR
AND HOW WE CAME TO HAVE A SECOND.
An amazingly prophetic article written in November 1938 by a naval officer, explaining how Britain became embroiled in the Great War in the first place, and why by 1938, a second war was just about unavoidable.

LIVE AND LET LIVE - Before we leave links specific to the First War, I must recommend here a paperback book - a fascinating read and one that perhaps gives the best insight into the mindset of the ordinary British Tommies in that long-drawn-out conflict.
"TRENCH WARFARE 1914-1918: The Live and Let Live System" by Tony Ashworth and published in 1980. (ISBN 0330480685). It explains the root causes of the 1914 Christmas Truce, and how attitudes to the idea of giving the enemy 'constant attrition' varied from division to division, even battalion to battalion within the same regiments. It tells how there really were 'quiet sectors' of the front, and how unofficial dialogue between British and German soldiers within earshot of each other helped to keep a sector quiet for a while, and how the top brass on both sides strove to stamp the practice out with severe punishments for those caught collaborating with the enemy.

More than a few of our Tommies did not shoot to kill, they often deliberately intended to miss, aiming just close enough to make the enemy keep their heads down. And the Germans did the same to us, reciprocating the gesture. At times it was almost ritualistic, they'd fire a shell, we'd fire one back, but not actually aimed directly at the other, but just for show to keep their respective officers' happy.

Folks today will not realise that junior officers in charge of sections of trench had to fill in daily returns of the totals of ammunition spent, mortar shells, machine gun rounds, individual rifle rounds. Woe betide the officer who could not show that his men were up with the best of them in 'constant attrition.' The pressures from above to keep the fight going was tremendous. It's almost unbelievable now, but on the odd occasion when a shell, designed to miss, did kill, they often shouted apologies to each other in order to stop it escalating into a full firefight. Neither they nor the Germans saw any point in wanton killing if no territorial advantage could be immediately gained, other than to fulfill their unit requirement of ordnance expended, figures laid down by 'brasshats,' the brigadiers and general above. Why rile the enemy and take his trenches when you knew there were no reinforcements to follow it up. It was just asking for trouble.

And then of course, in other sectors, all hell would let loose, and for long periods of time. This is not a comment on our soldiers' bravery; far from it. But most men could only keep up constant attrition for so long, and after a time, even the most battle-hardened sickened of it. It became an unofficial way for soldiers to keep a tiny measure of control over their own lives in a way they couldn't when involved in the bigger and more famous battles. At the very least, it enabled tired men to get a few nights sleep and have their breakfast in relative peace - for the enemy just a few yards away was doing exactly the same.

We can only speculate whether a decisive conclusion to the war one way or the other could have been brought about much quicker had all the men on BOTH SIDES been equally as keen to kill ALL THE TIME - or perhaps whether the final casualty list could have been even worse for no appreciable gain in time or effect. I certainly sympathise with the men on both sides who needed a break from the constant killing - and yet also can well understand Douglas Haig's attitude that such practices would not win the war and constant attrition was the only answer. You know, I can't make my mind up.

World War II - Maps on the Web - more detailed maps, of World War II, many theatres of war, Europe, Far East, etc - eg. Places in Britain within range of German fighters.

Army Roll of Honour at The National Archives - can be used to find a war grave or burial site. Use in conjunction with the Commonwealth War Graves site below.

Commonwealth War Graves Commission - the first place to look if you have name, service, which war, and knowing a rank will help enormously with the most common names. Includes the Merchant Navy.

The Royal British Legion - the quintessential ex-serviceman's organisation, famous for organising the annual Festival of Remembrance in the Royal Albert Hall, as well as the annual Poppy Day collections nationwide.

MOD Records and Contacts - for all service records, an overall site linking to records offices for all three armed services, and also information on how to apply for copies of medals and decorations awarded, etc.

World War 1 Medal Rolls . Over half of the army's records for men who served in WW1 were destroyed by enemy action when bombs fell on Whitehall in WW2. Years later, someone cleverly realised that if a man or woman served abroad in the First War, then they were almost certainly awarded a campaign medal. And those records survived the bombing. This is a database of those Medal Rolls, all 5.5 million men and women, including those who died, all on one site. It came on line in Jan 04, and should now be complete. To send for an image of one particular record, the cost is GBP3.50, payable by credit card online. A wonderful resource, found at the National Archives, ie, Kew Records Centre in London. Of course, you can also come to us in here in the Sutton & Wawne Museum, where we have access to those same archives. Bring a memory stick and take an image of your relative's medal card away with you.

The Long, Long Trail - a massive site giving many Regimental, Corps and Battalion locations, specifically for the 1914-1918 War. Invaluable if you know the unit your forefather was in, but don't know where he went. Gives some very useful starting clues. For instance, if you know your man was in the East Yorkshires, and there was family talk of Salonika and fighting the Turks, then you have a lead on his being in either the 2nd or 6th Battalions - both of which served in the disastrous Dardanelles campaign.

The Veterans' Agency - an MOD site with lots more links and information.

The National Army Museum - in Royal Hospital Road, London.

RAF Museum, HENDON - for more links to archives and RAF history.

RAF Records Office - for links for addresses for service records of all personnel.

WAAFS - to the Women's Auxiliary Air Force Association, the women's section of the Royal Air Force.

WRACS - to the Women's Royal Army Corps Association, includes and incorporates the ATS, or Auxiliary Transport Services, who were the women pilots that delivered warplanes direct from the factories to the squadrons.

WW2 - NAVY, ARMY & AIR FORCE LISTS - all officers
Previously only available at the National Archives at Kew, for a price - being the cost of a personal visit - now here online for free via the National Library of Scotland! The Navy List, Army List and Air Force List, for all of WW1 and most of WW2. I couldn't believe it. Be warned, they can be a faddle to search through, though you can do a 'name search'. In effect, every man or woman commisioned into HM armed forces for the war years are listed here, as are every ship of the navy and the officers who commanded them. There are no 'ordinary ranks' for any three of the armed forces. On some ships, maybe the Master at Arms is listed, sometimes in an army camp, a senior sergeant-major, but usually when that particular man is in an administrative role rather than a combat one. But by and large, there are no NCOs. As an example, the Navy List starts with HM The King, and goes down the lowliest temporary sub-lieutenant commissioned in that quarter of that year, with his seniority date. Every officer in the Royal Marines takes a space of 27 pages.

The full navy list is over 2 books, each with some 1,500 pages. I had a brief look at some ships, and found Prince Philip as a midshipman on the VALIANT and a lieutenant on the WHELP. They are not full crew lists, just listing commissioned officers. A brief look at the Air Force List found author Roahl Dahl as a Pilot Officer in 1940. The lists also have military hospitals, even down to the senior pharmacist in each hospital, senior ward sisters, etc. It is an interesting scroll through a fascinating time in our history.

As a sample, this page shows HMS CALCUTTA, a light cruiser from 1918 and here attached to the Royal Naval Reserve Humber Division based in Albert Dock, Hull. She is shown on this extract of page 478 (523 in the digital search) of The Navy List for September 1939. This volume lists every vessel in the Royal Navy at the start of the war, with their complement of officers. Being reserves, most of these men with HMS CALCUTTA would have lived locally, and I'm sure some folks today will recognise them as relatives. The monthly updating of these lists must have been an administrative tour-de-force, particularly in wartime. In September, HMS Royal Oak has it's listing, along with her sisters of the same class. In November, there is no mention of her. Incredible.

AIRCREW REMEMBRANCE SOCIETY - speaks for itself, a very worthy site to be added here. It runs on donations from members of the public and indeed is reliant upon the public for increasing their total library of information. It's a non-political site dedicated to perpetuating the memory of aircrew lost mainly during the Second World War. See the very bottom of this page for links to wartime issues of "FLIGHT - Service Aviation" issued to RAF and FAA personnel.
Very useful for lists of casualties, honours and awards, etc.


THE NOT FORGOTTEN ASSOCIATION . . . a Tri-Service Charity, "which provides entertainment, leisure and recreation for the serving wounded, injured or sick and for ex-service men and women with disabilities," to quote directly from their website. Incredibly, they were founded around the same time as the Royal British Legion, being founded in 1922. Today's patron, since 2000, is HRH The Princess Royal, and the charity is also supported by 'Help for Heroes.' They help around 12,000 people a year. Naturally, their emblem is an elephant. Elephants never forget, do they. A good choice.

AUXILLIARY TERRITORIAL SERVICE - a different ATS , those thousands of unsung women of all ages who did their bit towards the ultimate victory by doing what had previously been men's jobs in the forces, jobs that relieved more men of the armed forces to take the war to the enemy. Women that were drivers, clerks, cooks and orderlies, gunners and armourers, searchlight operators, wireless operators and telephonists, and not forgetting that legion of storewomen feared by rookie soldiers everywhere. We couldn't have won it without them. This is a tremendous site, and comes recommended by your Webmaster.

LAND ARMY & TIMBER CORPS - another massive group of unsung women, even more thousands, that worked the land and set free farmers and farm labourers free to join the armed forces. Another major organisation of womenfolk that made such a huge contribution, we couldn't have won it without them either. Between the ATS and the Land Army, this nation owes a huge debt of gratitude, and it's been far too long in the coming. Another recommended site for Grandmas everywhere. Grandkids should be saying, 'what did YOU do in the war, Grandma?". Some of their stories will astonish you.

National Maritime Museum - in Greenwich holds records for casualty lists of merchant shipping losses. This goes to the Collections page, because the Home Page didn't seem to be working when I tried it, showing an error (29/01/05).

WRNS - the Women's Royal Naval Service Benevolent Trust - the women's section of the Royal Navy. Now disbanded as a separate service, as with the WRACS and WAAFS above, the WRNS likewise performed sterling service supporting the administrative side of the navy, in bases all over the world. As well as basic office duties, they were also invaluable in manning war rooms, signals and transport sections, supporting the work of fighting ships in every imaginable way.

NAVAL HISTORY NET ... a truly incredible and valuable resource, and growing. Devised and provided by Gordon Smith as a tribute to his father, killed at sea in WW2, and also his grandfather, who served in both world wars. It lists EVERY naval casualty of the RN and Dominion Navies - including Royal Marines - who were killed or died, by enemy action or by accident, whilst in service at sea, or on a shore station, including between the wars. For instance, it is incredible how many men, and women, we lost just to road accidents in foreign ports. Also lists all our warships, where they served, what happened to them, in fact, just about all you want to know about our Royal Navy history. It's sobering to see lists of dead, day by day as we go through the months of war, and see listed the whole ship's company of sometimes hundreds of men, often designated as MPK - missing presumed killed - but the exact fate of that ship is still unknown, just that she was sunk or bombed and was lost without trace with all hands - very, very moving.

CONVOY WEB ... the link to Naval History above does also link to this, but this link takes you directly to this superb site. WW2 naval historians will be beside themselves with joy here. Every convoy of WW2, all their code letters, dates and ports of departure and arrival, names of ships within the convoys, sometimes numbers of troops aboard troopships. When researching, the site makes one good point to remember, will save a lot of time later to emphasise it here; troops were frequently embarked aboard their troopships some days before the actual date of sailing shown in the archives , typically three or four days. Similarly, on arrival, troops may be another day or so before actual disembarkation. Generally, a Magnificent Site, and should be far better known.

ROYAL NAVAL MUSEUM - at HM Naval Base, Portsmouth. Lots of info on HMS Victory, HMS M.33, plus a features on the Dardanelles Campaign of 1915 marking the centenary, plus much more. Includes links to history and records for Royal Marines. Also see next entry below.

ROYAL MARINES MUSEUM - at Eastney Barracks, Southsea. Includes links to RM Commandos, and how to train to be a Royal Marine Commando. One of Britain's oldest regiments, though technically have long been a Corps, it was known as the Admiral's Regiment, and first formed in 1664. The nation's 'Sea Soldiers', with detachments on most large warships as well as the commando HQs ashore, Royal Marines have long been regarded as Britain's sheet anchor. They undertake everything from small landing and boarding parties to full-scale invasions, a Commando unit being roughly the equivalent of an army battalion, around 800 men. "By Sea, By Land" is their motto, amphibious warfare is their speciality. They proudly marked their 350th anniversary in 2014 with some style, and has a world-famous band service renowned for it's display of the historic naval ceremonies of Beating Retreat and Sunset.

ROYAL NAVAL PATROL SERVICE ASSOCIATION - shown here because so many men from Hull and the Humber ports volunteered, often as whole crews together in much the same fashion as the Pals Battalions in the army of the Great War, that I thought it proper to have a direct link. There's a picture of the RNPS Memorial at Lowestoft, as well as their museum and HQ in what was HMS Europa in Sparrow's Nest Gardens in Lowestoft. The memorial overlooks both the gardens and the sea. This is for all those who served in "Harry Tate's Navy" - brave men, and hitherto their contribution, no less vital than say the pilots of the Battle of Britain, has so often been unrecognised. Minesweeping, anti-submarine patrols, air-sea rescue, and a lot of 'dangerous and dirty' jobs no one else would willingly undertake, all fell to the men of this unique if unglamorous outfit. Taking on a submarine in only a fishing trawler armed with a 12-pdr gun, doing both Atlantic and Arctic Convoy escort duty, landing Special Forces and reconnaissance units on enemy shores, were all no mean feats. There casualty rate was horrendous, on a par to the Merchant Navy and Bomber Command. And for those that survived, when the war was over, it was simply back to the fishing and earning a living in one of the most dangerous occupations on this earth - or sea. We're proud to honour them here.

DEMS Gunners - this link is the best first step to find information on these often overlooked men, by searching on Wikipedia. DEMS stood for 'Defensively Armed Merchant Ships', and any relatives that have come across references to a man being part of the ship's company of a vessel called HMS PRESIDENT will want to know about this. For PRESIDENT was simply an old steam ship moored in the Thames, and she's still there with her yellow funnel and can now be hired for functions and parties. But in WW2, PRESIDENT was the pay HQ of all naval ratings assigned to merchant ships for gunnery protection against German subs and aircraft. More than a few of these men lost their lives on some unheard of merchant ship or tramp steamer, and the only record left is of their name inscribed on the RN memorial and as having supposedly served on HMS PRESIDENT. In the vast majority of cases, they never set foot aboard her. There was a lot more to their stories than that, very complicated and all wrapped up in the British government's desire to be seen to be observing the rule of war whilst still giving our merchant seamen some protection. The Americans were far less squeamish, and called their USN gunnery ratings 'Armed Guards'. Often, they served together on the same ships with Royal Navy personnel, as we 'loaned' the Americans some of our DEMS gunners. So it's worth seeking out Armed Guard websites too. If you have a relative that was killed at sea, apparently on an American merchant ship, the chances are he was really a Royal Naval rating trained as a DEMS gunner on smaller calibre guns, like 3" or the famous anti-aircraft Oerlikon, or even mounted Lewis guns of WW1 vintage. They really were fighting against all the odds and were very brave men indeed. Many would go on to find themselves taking on a squadron of Luftwaffe Stukas armed with nothing more than an ageing WW1 machine gun, and many lost that unequal battle doing it. Others simply died in their sleep when torpedoed, or drowned in abandoning ship. For those who have never even heard of DEMS gunners, just knowing what they were will help.

CONVOYWEB - I can't recommend or praise this site enough. If you have been researching anyone who served in the Royal or Merchant Navy and trying to trace ships, convoys, movements around the globe in those vital years 1939-1945, then this site is a real find. And free. A good example is when looking for a DEMS gunner detailed above. If you know the name of the ship, or when your relative sailed or arrived, or ports he mentioned, you have a good chance of finding out even more. Even if you have no ship, but have dates or port of departure, you still have a chance. In many cases, it's more a question of a process by elimination. When looking for those killed, the CWGC site will name the ship, and more details may then be on the equally incredible Naval History site, and the "Casualty Researches of Don Kindell". All those killed in action, missing presume killed (mpk), died of wounds (DOW) or just died of illness whilst part of a ships company, all are listed for the RN and Dominion navies. Even those killed in road accidents when ashore are listed.

FLEET AIR ARM MUSEUM - at RNAS Yeovilton, Somerset, will change your perception of aircraft Museums. The Museum has the largest collection of Naval aircraft anywhere in Europe, together with the first British built Concorde which you can go aboard and visit the cockpit. Find out more by exploring this Web Site and then see us for yourself.


HULL & EAST RIDING AT WAR
A local site run by a team of enthusiasts keen to see the part Hull and the East Riding played in both world wars more widely told. Whether the role of the Hull Pals battalions in the Great War, or Hull's untold suffering in the blitz in the second, this is a remarkable site, with a great wealth of interest to this area. It's particularly strong on other bodies and authorities as well as the regular military, so police and fire brigades, civil defence and Home Guard, and many other auxilliary units all have a place here. There's an extra-special focus on individual stories, as well as pages on each of the RAF stations across East Yorkshire. It will grow and grow, and well worth a visit.

KINGSTON UPON HULL WAR MEMORIAL 1914 - 1918
A more complete story of Hull in World War One . . . a totally marvellous and phenomenal new website dedicated to honouring every single one of all the men of Hull who lost their lives in the First World War. It really is an amazing resource, with losses even listed by street name as well as by service, regiment or ship. An incredible amount of information here, all researched and put together by Hull WW1 historian Paul Bishop. It will certainly be well used by folks here at the Sutton & Wawne Museum, and I wholeheartedly recommend it as a new resource to use alongside the existing ones, such as Hull & East Riding at War listed above. Thank you Paul.

NEW !! Jan 2018
THE DINSDALE LISTS for HULL 1914 - 1918
Though new to us, this is an ongoing project that has so far taken 20 years. The author, a former serviceman himself, has compiled searchable lists of losses of the East Yorkshire Regiment, divided into those for officers and another database for other ranks. There is also a list of Hull's military losses generally for all forces, and an Absent Voters List which mostly points to Prisoners of War, again of all forces. The site includes information on thousands of men from Hull and the East Riding villages who served and survived. Dozens of images of printed casualty lists are also to be found, under "EAST YORKS MEMORIALS". And all for free, by the way. If you've already been unsuccessful in searching for details of a man, who you know from the CWGC site died in service, or even served, then check these lists out. It's a very easy-to-use site, no adverts or fripparies, whose simple layout belies the massive database that underlies it all. I'm told there are some 60,000 names all told, so not just the 7,000 or so men from Hull that were killed, but as many 'also served' as the author can find ... and it's still ongoing and being added to.
If you know of an omission, you can add to it by emailing the author.

THE YORKSHIRE REGIMENT
. . . the successor to both the East and West Yorkshires, the Green Howards, and the Duke of Wellington's Regiment. Their website takes you to their regimental museum pages, with a comprehensive regimental history of not just both world wars, but many other conflicts too. There are a surprising number of records you can access online, though some WW2 records pertaining to men enlisted and discharged are not yet available online. Most WW1 records are.

THE PRINCE OF WALES'S OWN REGIMENT OF YORKSHIRE
the successor to both the East and West Yorkshires, the Green Howards, and the Duke of Wellington's Regiment. Their website takes you to their regimental museum pages, with a comprehensive regimental history of not just both world wars, but many other conflicts too. There are a surprising number of records you can access online, though some WW2 records pertaining to men enlisted and discharged are not yet available online. Most WW1 records are.

THE SECRET LISTENERS - a website dedicated to the army of WW2 'secret radio listeners' who used their own amateur radio sets to firstly listen out for German spies here in Britain from 1940 onwards, but more importantly who later discovered the wealth of secret German High Command radio traffic in their 'uncrackable' five-letter codes. A truly amazing story, one that will especially fascinate anyone with an interest in radio and its early history.

EDEN CAMP - If you didn't live through these wars, but want to know more about the privations and hardships your family had to bear on the 'Home Front', or experience a little of the atmosphere of the times, then you should visit this excellent museum just outside Malton. I use the word "experience" advisedly - you will not feel the real fear and cold and pain, but you may come to understand a little, just a little. You may have had older relatives no longer with us who told you something of those years, and they, perhaps, were very descriptive. Perhaps you doubted them, considered their stories somewhat exaggerated. Come to Eden Camp, and I think you'll find they didn't exaggarate one bit, more likely they couldn't or wouldn't tell you the half of it. It would be hard to exaggerate what our enemies did to us, and even more of what they did in continental Europe to other nations, or the exploits of the Japanese out in the Far East to the Chinese, Malays, the Philipines or Burmese. But Eden's story is primarily of the war here in Europe. Thankfully, our parents never knew the horrors of whole villages of women and children being rounded up and locked in a church, to which our very considerate enemy then set fire, as reprisals for what some of the menfolk had done. Let's not beat about the bush, yes, Germans did that several times, in France, Poland, Czechoslovakia and Italy, though admittedly, it wasn't always in a church. I suspect some reading this will not believe that. But I daresay they'll get round to checking it out on "WW2 Atrocities", even if just out of curiosity. Please note that this address is via the "Way Back Machine", which is an internet archive site because George Duncan's excellent site had disappeared online. The archive records extinct websites such as this, and make them still available for us forever.

In our home experience, just for a woman to have to contend with the rationing, the scarcity of new clothes and fashions, the worry of having your children sent miles away 'to safety', let alone whether your man, your dad, or brother, was coming home, is enough thought for us that came afterwards to realise that these wonderful displays in the old prisoner-of-war huts do not begin to help us fully understand what they went through. But it's a start. And then, atop of all that, there was the bombing.

Remember this if you go to Eden Camp - as you pay your money to go in, you know you will be coming out. Also, you have the benefit of 70 years of history that tells us that, not only did Britain and the free world win, but that we were right to do what we did. Your forebears neither knew for certain we were going to win, until roughly 1943-44, and for much of the war, most didn't really know what was going on elsewhere. To put it simply, folks in Coventry and London, suffering as they did, had no idea that Hull was having it just as bad - because no-one told them, except by heresay, and that was just rumour when all said and done. Men falling on the field of battle at El Alamein were not to know that their sacrifice was to be a turning point, that history would deem their actions, even in death, helped to turn a perilous corner. Few held the full story. We know all this now. And when the full story came to be told, few realised just how much of a close call we'd all had - we very nearly didn't win. Taken by sheer weight of armour, aircraft, numbers of men and their total war machine, Germany should have won that war. And they know it. What is even more chilling, is that the descendants of the German war machine of those years know it too. Why they didn't is another fascinating story. But, as the victor of Waterloo famously said, "it was a damned close run thing." And that's some understatement. Eden Camp tells a good deal of that story.

For those of you that did experience all this, and served, and though frightened to death, still went back off leave for another dose of what you knew was coming, still went out at night firewatching, still went to work daily not knowing if your work was still there, still ushered your family and children down the shelters almost nightly, I salute you - ! And so should everyone else. Most of us will never know, let alone repay, the debt that we owe you.

PDSA - THE DICKEN MEDAL
Finally, a link to a rare honour for animals. Many will have heard of the Dicken Medal, but I suspect many will have not. There are many unknown stories on here of animals that were honoured for their bravery and standing steadfast in the face of great danger. As their website says, the PDSA Dickin Medal is the highest award any animal can receive whilst serving in military conflict. There have been quite a few surprising recipients.


TO SUM UP . . .

. . . and a few more tips to searching

All these above sites will contain many, many links to lead you further on into your research. Also remember that there are hundreds if not thousands of websites posted by individuals, service veterans, their families, that document particular regiments, squadrons, or ships. Since I first wrote this, there has been a massive increase in the number of blogs, forums, and private memories online. It really is incredible just what can be found. Use GOOGLE and enter basic details : for instance, enter SQUADRON 160 RAF CEYLON - and see what pops up. You'll find some instances of where ex-aircrew have posted up actual reports of Air Accident Investigations for losses of individual aircraft. There's information now on the web for all to see that was not given or available to the relatives of lost servicemen at the time of their deaths.

Similarly, search for ships by name, especially the more famous ones - type "HMS HOOD" and use the inverted commas to force a search for the whole name. Many names are thoroughly ambiguous, such as the county class cruisers like the SUFFOLK and DORSETSHIRE - you need to box a bit clever with these, and add the name of the theatre of war, or action, or enemy ship they were engaged with. Type SUFFOLK BISMARCK and see what pops up. There are 57,000 references, the vast majority pointing to the ships themselves, though some will coincidentally be referring to the county of Suffolk and some gentry that was related to Count von Bismarck himself. Also with ships, after loading the links, another worthwhile search is for an IMAGE SEARCH. I did it and the first four pictures are of the Royal Navy cruiser SUFFOLK herself, and the fifth was pic of her Swordfish aircraft taken from the film, SINK THE BISMARCK, starring Kenneth More. The ways of searching are endless.

Type 4TH BTN NORTHANTS - and dozens of links pop up that contain references to that particular unit in that county regiment, some of which will link to the regimental museum itself. If you have the name of a particular action or battle, type it in - eg SOMME NORTHAMPTONSHIRE, and also use NORTHANTS, as when a battalion is referred to, the colloquial terminology is often used to shorten the county name - for instance, a man would have said he was in - "the 4th Northants, the 1st Leicesters, or the 8th Warwicks."

The amount of information already out there is nothing short of incredible, and this is early days in the history of the web. It's only really been growing apace for this past 20 years. Don't be put off by quantity, you'll soon learn to fly through the flotsam and jetsam of the internet and spot the information you're looking for.


Ever heard of Jan Baalsrud ? Those few of you who have read the 1955 book "We Die Alone" will know who I mean. He was a Norwegian Resistance Fighter during WW II. He had one of the most amazing experiences and escapes ever told, and his sheer strength and endurance is an epic tale in itself, let alone naked courage. What would you make of a man who amputated his own toes? Well, 9 - all bar one of them. If you want to know more, go to the Google.com search engine, and type in "Jan Baalsrud", just like that, in inverted commas. Up will pop plenty of links. What a story - get the book; it was re-published in the early 1990's. I spent several years not quite believing it, and only found it was true on the Internet, when I saw a photo of Jan with King Haakon. There's more to this story than I'm telling - I'm not giving the end away - see for yourself. The best read you'll ever have. A real hero, in anyone's book! Young ladies should note that REAL men used to be built like this years ago.


Well, that's almost enough to be going on with.
There's enough here to keep most of you up for an hour or two.


Clicking the "More Detailed Weather" line at the bottom of the box below
will open a full report, with a map, in a new window.

LIVE SHIPPING!
Does anyone around these parts have any interest in ships ?
See what's in Hull. Where it came from.
See what's in Valetta's Grand Harbour, or Hong Kong. Even Goole.
Click the map, use the wheel to zoom in or out, drag to move around the world.
Click a ship, and see a photo of it. There's amazing detail within.
[ed: try as I might, I can't get this to zoom in on loading and centre on the Humber, so just drag this map so you centre it
over the North Sea and go from there.]


but it is better to see the
THE FULL MARINE TRAFFIC SITE in a new page


FLIGHT - Service Aviation
is an amazing archive of most wartime issues of this magazine, issued to
RAF and Fleet Air Arm personnel throughout the war.
Apart from the general historical interest re aircraft, what is most
useful to family historians is the huge amount of info and data given,
each six months, on casualties, promotions, decorations and awards.
Yes, even down to Mentioned in Despatches, so notoriously hard to find.
There were two issues a year, in January, and July, and they are huge files,
and take some time to open in Adobe Acrobat. Tip: use another PDF reader
if you plan to do word searches, say for a name. Adobe doesn't help you there.


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