SUTTON & WAWNE MUSEUMinside the Old School,Sutton on Hull, East Yorkshire
ALL THE WOMEN'S SERVICES ARE HERE BELOW; WRENS, ATS, WAAFS, QUARANCS, TANS, TIMBER CORPS, and more. as is right, the ladies are listed before the gents! See below. We're not too formal, but we do things right here. We keep all sorts of biscuits on our tables, but sorry, no cream-puffs. MOST OF THESE LINKS ARE GENERALLY FREE TO VISIT, to view the specific site. We will indicate any link that makes a charge to view information, though most of them on here are FREE. Link Requesters from other countries should carefully note: WE NOW ONLY POST NEW LINKS RELATING TO BRITISH HISTORY ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() : : : : : Click the Other Links
button to ease your
eyes, Most of these links are to
other sites, SERIOUS HISTORY LINKS Old Books and MSS At risk of viewers thinking we may be trying to guide them away from our own site, we post even more History Links on yet another page to other sites of more general, but even deeper historical interest. Some have connections to the East Riding, and some to the wider UK, and the first ones are to FREE eBooks. I know it sounds improbable, but they are genuinely free to use. Once there, just watch for futher links to not-so-free products or services. And do be careful where you 'click, tap, or point'. On touch screens, just placing your finger wrong to scroll can get you into a great deal of bother and see things you would rather not. And do 'Bookmark' us so that you can come back here and find us again. These are some of the names, terms, acronyms, you will find details of on this page, a lot of them quite obscure, except to those who served or knew them. HARRY TATE'S NAVY : QARNNS : QARANC : TIMBER CORPS : CONVOY WEB : DEMS GUNNERS : SECRET LISTENERS : BOOTNECKS : TANS : CWGC DICKEN MEDAL : WW2 ATROCITIES : MAPS on the WEB : WW1 MEDAL ROLLS : Perhaps one will 'catch your eye' ... they are not links, just hints, but it will save you time if you use Ctrl+F to find the same term on this page again below; Copy & Paste. But then, a long, leisurely browse can pay great dividends. We used to call it reading.
TIPS ON BROKEN OR
OBSOLETE LINKS
With the
internet as we know it being
now some 30 years old, it
stands to reason that many
original links and website
addresses will have changed
over the years, or even no
longer exist. I'm sure
you've sometimes clicked a
link and nothing happens, or
an annoying page of adverts
you didn't want pops up.
It's the same with me, it
happens occasionally when I
check this links page that
some no longer work.
Sometimes, the address has
changed ever so slightly,
but often it's disappeared
entirely. If there is a page
you used to visit, that no
longer exists, and
desperately need to see
again, all may not be lost.
It may be a page you wrote,
on a site that went down,
and you want to recover the
text. There is an excellent
archive site, that
continuously trawls the web
and archives pages at
regular intervals, say every
couple of months or so.
But, before you despair and give up, try this tip : many websites still have the same address, but for one letter, an 'S' ... where the site has gone 'secure' and so adds an 's' to the http, as in https. So, just add an 's' before the double // .. in the address bar, hit enter, and as often as not, it may well work. But if not ... here is the next best trick, a site of pure Internet Magic ! Commonly known as the WAY BACK MACHINE - it is BACK !! ... .. after a long period when it wasn't updated, and another archive site called SCREENSHOTS had appeared to have taken over the task of archiving past internet content. This incredible archive now seems to be updated once again, and is as good as ever, if not more so. You can indeed easily go way, way back, and can often retrieve pages you may have thought long lost. The example below has aerial photos of East Yorkshire first posted back in 1996, and no longer generally available. It's very good for web historians to track how a particular site has evolved over the years. If you ever had a site of your own, for more than a few months, and the server went down and you lost all your info without any backup, you may well find it is still mostly there. If you have a broken link still saved in your Favorites, then you already have the address or URL. Just copy the link, and paste it into the search box on WAYBACK MACHINE. But that is the trick, you will need to have, or find, that old address. The older aerial views of Hull and East Riding towns shown further below is a good example. The pages are all still there, including most of the photographs, as they were when last archived in 2007, but they're just not on the original URL of . . . http://tlfe.org.uk/air/. Paste that address into the WAYBACK MACHINE Home Page search box, and hey presto ... all is not lost. Oh, I nearly forgot to mention, it is free, always has been. Yes, free to all comers. Once again, what a resource! And thanks to those who devised and maintain it now. The servers and hard drives must be phenomenal in size. |
NOW TO THE REST
.... LINKS TO CHARITIES SUCH AS THE BRITISH LEGION and BRITISH ARMED FORCES voluntary organisations are kept; because they represent the men and women who fought for our freedoms, and the many who paid for those freedoms with their lives, in order for us to have any history worth celebrating. THE LEONARD CHESHIRE FOUNDATION is one of the most worthwhile organisations ever set up, and also one of the most widely known. For those not aware, Group Captain Leonard Cheshire, OM, VC, DSO & Two Bars, DFC , was one such man, who fought for our freedoms, and set up this humanitarian organisation which, along with the one set up by his second wife, Sue Ryder, he sort of kick-started today's hospice movement for people with terminal illnesses. And,
LEST WE FORGET -
Over the years, we have all known many ex-servicemen and women who gave of their best years to serve in the forces, whether as volunteers or by conscription. We young'uns who came along in the 1950s have probably enjoyed the very best that Britain has ever been able to offer, thanks to the peace and security those hundreds of thousands of men and women gave us. This is one way we can help, to say thanks to those who came home, and Give Thanks for the lives of those who didn't. ![]() Did you know that you don't have to have been in the Forces to join the Royal British Legion? For Family Historians, here is another potentially very useful link - indispensable some would say. Go straight to the COMMONWEALTH WAR GRAVES COMMISSION We hope it helps - - it truly is an olympic site and archive of hundreds of thousands of names; and that includes BOTH World Wars; ALL 4 services including the Merchant Marine, and Civilians killed in the UK, and ALL countries of the Empire and Commonwealth. Even if your relative was lost at sea, he or she will be honoured on this database that includes details of HUNDREDS of war cemetaries all over this globe.
Reading This
Page will inform
anyone about our policy
regarding adding links, what
type of links we are
interested in, and most
firmly what type of link we
have no interest in.
Reading it will save them, and
us, an enormous amount of
time. A
LINK FOR USA ARMED FORCES
VETERANS Having
said that above, there is
one link I have been
requested to add, here
posted below, specifically
for veterans of U.S.American
armed forces - should any
happen to come across our
pages here. We would not
usually add American links,
for the simple reason none
of them would be of any use
to our usual home-grown
British veteran audiences.
But I would imagine any US
forces veteran would already
know of these.
SUTTON WAR MEMORIAL
ROLL OF HONOUR
ST PETER'S WAR
MEMORIAL in WAWNE
Back to the Sutton & Wawne Museum Page ![]()
MILITARY ARCHIVES
AND THE TWO WORLD WARS
LINKS
TO SITES OF MILITARY
INTEREST FOR
RESEARCHERS OF FAMILY HISTORY do note that these links are not posted in any particular order, usually just as I came to them; some of these near the top could be the newest.
KINGSTON
UPON HULL WAR MEMORIAL
1914 - 1918
ARMED FORCES COMMUNITY HUB
- HULL THE HULL
PEOPLE'S MEMORIAL
has sadly closed. It's
very last pages were scanned
and archived by The Wayback
Machine (as was the 17Balloons
site about RAF Sutton, listed
below) so folks can view their
last pages and see what they
achieved, and read the
dedications to all those who
supported and helped them over
a period of 15 years.
HULL BLITZ MAPS
- maps plotting the fall
of bombs - this links to a new
window and a set of 16 scans
of a large streetmap of Hull,
dated 1945, onto which has
been entered details of the
fall of HE bombs and mines for
the period 1940-44. Many more
thousands of incendiary
bombs are not shown, there
simply were far to many to
count, dozens falling in any
few square yards. They were
not high-explosive, but
phospherous, and intended to
cause deadly, serious fires. CITY ON
FIRE RAF
SUTTON ON HULL RAF
/ USAF GOXHILL
. . . links to an amazing
vintage wartime aircraft
museum in Virginia, USA.
Where they have now taken and
re-assembled the old control
tower from RAF Goxhill, as it
first was. That was one
of the main RAF fighter
stations to defend Hull in the
early days, but in 1942, was
handed over to the USAF to use
as a bomber station.
Enthusiasts dismantled
the control tower
brick-by-brick some years
back, transported it to the
eastern United States, and it
now forms a magnificent
visitor attraction. The
photos are amazing, so much
period 'detail' inside,
telling little touches that
you will not fail to notice,
some of which are
amusing. The link came
to us via a director of the
museum, who happened to
correspond with us at Sutton
after they had viewed the bomb
maps of Hull, link
above. They also have a
'Webinar'
link (also opens in a
new window) that focuses on
the Goxhill tower, and much
more of interest re their
preserved aircraft and
displays. THE
BATTLE OF BRITAIN
HISTORICAL SOCIETY
NORTH-EAST DIARY 1939
-1945 - by
the late Roy Ripley &
Brian Pears - another
stupendous site that also
documents much of the
heartache that the North-East
underwent during those dark
years. RAF casualties and
crash landings at numerous
airfields, ships built on the
Tyne, all sorts of incidents,
some of which tie in with the
civilian casualties in the
list above, make this an
incredible archive for those
interested in the Home Front
of WW2 and family historians
alike. It includes details of
shipping lost or attacked off
the east coast. Many
references to Hull and the
East Riding area. Enough to
keep you busy all evening. HOME SWEET HOME FRONT - a comprehensive site documenting life on the Home Front during WW2. Contains a good page on the Women's Land Army, telling how a force of 80,000 women by 1944 were working the land, literally, farming, forestry, every aspect of agriculture. Also contains pages on the WVS, Women's Voluntary Service, and Home Guard, LDV.
FORGOTTEN HEROES - The
Wartime Memories Project JOINT
WAR ORGANISATION
- another site dedicated to
Hull International
BOMBER COMMAND Centre ...
LOSSES DATABASE RAF
HOLMPTON -
the top-secret underground
Cold War Bunker, open to the
public since 2007, with guided
tours. A fascinating look at a
hitherto unsuspected fact of
life on the East Yorkshire
coast just south of
Withernsea. It houses the only
surviving Radar Projection
Table in the UK. This is one
of the Command Centres that
would have run the British
nuclear reaction had the
'four-minute warning' been
sounded. Though what use four
minutes would have done for
most of us, I am at a loss to
imagine. However, a very
Informative website. But did
you know so much is
available for free? For
instance, most wartime
Cabinet Office records,
Chiefs of Staff memos,
telegrams from commanders
and colonial governers
abroard, as well as a good
many regimental war diaries
and movement orders. A good
deal has been digitised, and
you'd be surprised how many
are available for free, zero
charge in your basket. Just
browsing through a huge
archive of saved memos and
typed operational orders
gives an incredible insight
to the complications of
running a major war at a
time when the nation's very
survival was at stake. Click
this
![]() As new problems emerged, new enemy conquests, major warship losses and battle defeats mounted one on top of the other, the clarity of thought of those in charge is something to behold and tells a great deal about the quality and education of our military and civil service, the machinery of government, in those now far off and tragedy filled days. It is sobering to read day by day memos dealing with everything from the movement of stores to discussing how large liners should be used as troopships. You may not find your regiment's actual war diary, but you can often find documents that confirm or deny dates or events you already suspect. Many of the 'events' a lot of memos warn about never actually took place in the end, and a good job they didn't. One such was a huge batch of memos and telegrams warning of the dangers of Spain and Portugal throwing their lot in with the Axis Powers and allowing a German invasion of Gibraltar. For, it was on the cards, and with massive implications for the war in the Atlantic, including total loss of control of the Med. There would not have needed to be a battle for Malta, we would not have got near it. My word, there would have been no victory in 1945 if that had come to pass, that's for sure. Try this as a taster; CLICK HERE .. it opens in a new tab. It's a request for a large file, containing the details of the move to the Middle East, late in 1940, of a huge unit of Royal Marines for the defence of the Canal Zone in Egypt. But that is not the main interest for you, it's what it comes with, many other documents and memos such as I've described above are all bundled up with it, but in date order. Click the "Go To Record" box, and download it, first part is just under 40Mb of PDF pages. For those who already have a fairly detailed knowledge and grasp of the war, and would like a gentle browse to dip in and out of, this is fascinating stuff indeed. My wife's father was a 'Bootneck' himself, that's how I managed to learn so much about these two huge units of RM's to the Middle East, the first of which became heavily involved in Crete and lost a great many men. This link below is not specifically a MILITARY LINK, but it well may help former service personnel and their families with 'serious issues' that only too often aflict them after leaving their service. It provides quick links for help with drug and alcohol addiction rehab services in Yorkshire and near Yorkshire. We can only hope it helps those that need help to find it. |
![]() MORE MILITARY LINKSMost WW1 & WW2 Links specific to Hull and the East Riding are nearer the top of this page, though there are two repeated below. Just a
suggestion, before you start -
have a look at this list of WRENS - the Women's Royal Naval Service Benevolent Trust - the women's section of the Royal Navy. Now disbanded as a separate service, as with the WRACS and WAAFS above, the WRNS likewise performed sterling service supporting the administrative side of the navy, in bases all over the world. As well as basic office duties, they were also invaluable in manning war rooms, signals and transport sections, supporting work ashore of fighting ships in every imaginable way. QARNNS - Queen Alexandra's Royal Naval Nursing Service Association - their Association was formed in 1970, and is open to all serving, reserves and retired members of QARNNS, as well as VADs of the Royal Navy. They have an annual re-union in various venues around the country. There are Regional Branches of varying sizes, to which members may belong having joined the main Association. These hold a number of social activities and meetings throughout the year. WAAFS - links to the Women's Auxiliary Air Force Association, the women's section of the Royal Air Force. The women's branch of the RAF started with about 1,700 members in 1939, and were approximately 180,000 by 1943. Working in many trades and specialities that the RAF required, such as meteorology, transport, telephony and telegraphy, codes and ciphers, Intelligence, Security and Operation Rooms and many others besides. Some 1,570 ground crew ladies lost their lives performing their vital support roles. Gaining the epithet 'Royal', they reformed into the WRAF in 1949, and were fully integrated into the RAF in 1994. This link takes you to their Association website, and further links for information, and a chance to view 'A WAAF Bibliography' online, and in particular to view a choice of excellent books by Sqn Ldr Beryl Escott.
WRACS - to the Women's Royal Army Corps Association, includes and incorporates the ATS, or Auxiliary Transport Services, who were the women pilots that delivered warplanes direct from the factories to the squadrons. There is a further link to the ATA below. As with WAAFS and WRENS, the ladies here performed a great number of the administrative tasks the army required, as well as drivers, signallers, armourers and many other besides. QARANC - Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps - The Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps has served the nursing and medical needs of the British army, their allies, prisoners of war and local civilians since 1854 and the Crimean War. Though back then, they were known as the Army Nursing Service, later becoming 'Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service' before finally becoming QA's and forming a 'corps' in their own right and then known as QARANCs in 1949. BRITISH ARMY NURSES [ * NEW * ] . . . is the official site for the history and heritage of the Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps and its antecedents (Army Nursing Service; Princess Christian's Army Nursing Service (Reserve); Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service, Territorial Force Nursing Service, Territorial Army Nursing Service), collectively British Army nurses. A wonderful site, a fitting tribute to all those ladies that served our fighting forces. AUXILLIARY
TERRITORIAL SERVICE
- a different ATS , those
thousands of unsung women of
all ages who did their bit
towards the ultimate victory
by doing what had previously
been men's jobs in the forces,
jobs that relieved more men of
the armed forces to take the
war to the enemy. Women that
were drivers, clerks, cooks
and orderlies, gunners and
armourers, searchlight
operators, wireless operators
and telephonists, and not
forgetting that legion of
storewomen feared by rookie
soldiers everywhere. We
couldn't have won it without
them. This is a tremendous
site, and comes recommended by
your Webmaster. LAND
ARMY & TIMBER CORPS
- note: THE SITE HAS COME BACK
INTO OPERATION ... after a
brief time offline. They have
a new address. Another massive
group of unsung women, even
more thousands, that worked
the land and set free farmers
and farm labourers free to
join the armed forces. Another
major organisation of
womenfolk that made such a
huge contribution, we couldn't
have won it without them
either. Between the ATS and
the Land Army, this nation
owes a huge debt of gratitude,
and it's been far too long in
the coming. Another
recommended site for Grandmas
everywhere. Grandkids should
be saying, 'what did YOU do in
the war, Grandma?". Some of
their stories will astonish
you.
AND
NOW TO OUR VETERANS THAT
SERVED : HULL
VETERANS SUPPORT
CENTRE try this one instead: FORCES VETERANS .. Soldiers Sailors & Airmen .. .. .. of all types, all ages, a local help and support organisation. A place where ex-Forces can meet and enjoy each other's company and also find many contacts for help and assistance. They rely soley on donations and genererous gifts of cash and goods from companies and private individuals. A UK GUIDE
FOR VETERANS
WESTERN FRONT ASSOCIATION
- was formed
with the aim of furthering
interest in the period
1914-1918, to perpetuate the
memory, courage and
comradeship of all those who
served their countries in
France and Flanders and their
own countries during The Great
War. It does not seek to
justify or glorify war. It is
not a re-enactment society,
nor is it commercially
motivated. It is entirely
non-political. The object of
The Association is to educate
the public in the history of
The Great War with particular
reference to the Western
Front. Applications for
membership are welcomed from
anyone with a like mind.
WORLD WAR I - TRENCHES ON
THE WEB - a
complete directory of maps of
the main areas of operation in
Europe, 1914-1918. More than a few of our Tommies did not shoot to kill, they often deliberately intended to miss, aiming just close enough to make the enemy keep their heads down. And the Germans did the same to us, reciprocating the gesture. At times it was almost ritualistic, they'd fire a shell, we'd fire one back, but not actually aimed directly at the other, but just for show to keep their respective officers' happy. Folks today will not realise that junior officers in charge of sections of trench had to fill in daily returns of the totals of ammunition spent, mortar shells, machine gun rounds, individual rifle rounds. Woe betide the officer who could not show that his men were up with the best of them in 'constant attrition.' The pressures from above to keep the fight going was tremendous. It's almost unbelievable now, but on the odd occasion when a shell, designed to miss, did kill, they often shouted apologies to each other in order to stop it escalating into a full firefight. Neither they nor the Germans saw any point in wanton killing if no territorial advantage could be immediately gained, other than to fulfill their unit requirement of ordnance expended, figures laid down by 'brasshats,' the brigadiers and general above. Why rile the enemy and take his trenches when you knew there were no reinforcements to follow it up. You and your mates would be left high and dry and facing an immediate enemy counter-attack. It was just asking for trouble. Don't start something you cannot finish was a common motto. But, sometimes, shooting to miss did go wrong. And then of course, in other sectors, all hell would let loose, and for long periods of time. This is not a comment on our soldiers' bravery; far from it. But most men could only keep up constant attrition for so long, and after a time, even the most battle-hardened sickened of it. It became an unofficial way for soldiers to keep a tiny measure of control over their own lives in a way they couldn't when involved in the bigger and more famous battles. At the very least, it enabled tired men to get a few nights sleep and have their breakfast in relative peace - for the enemy just a few yards away was doing exactly the same. We can only
speculate whether a decisive
conclusion to the war one way
or the other could have been
brought about much quicker had
all the men on BOTH SIDES been
equally as keen to kill ALL
THE TIME - or perhaps whether
the final casualty list could
have been even worse for no
appreciable gain in time or
effect. I certainly sympathise
with the men on both sides who
needed a break from the
constant killing - and yet
also can well understand
Douglas Haig's attitude that
such practices would not win
the war and constant attrition
was the only answer. You know,
I've read the book, understand
and weighed the arguments, and
still I can't make my mind up.
World War II - Maps on the Web - more detailed maps, of World War II, many theatres of war, Europe, Far East, etc - eg. Places in Britain within range of German fighters. ARMY ROLL of HONOUR at The National Archives - can be used to find a war grave or burial site. Use in conjunction with the Commonwealth War Graves site below. COMMONWEALTH WAR GRAVES COMMISSION - the first place to look if you have name, service, which war, and knowing a rank will help enormously with the most common names. Includes the Merchant Navy. ROYAL BRITISH LEGION - the quintessential ex-serviceman's organisation, famous for organising the annual Festival of Remembrance in the Royal Albert Hall, as well as the annual Poppy Day collections nationwide. MOD Records and Contacts - for all service records, an overall site linking to records offices for all three armed services, and also information on how to apply for copies of medals and decorations awarded, etc. World War 1 Medal Rolls . Over half of the army's records for men who served in WW1 were destroyed by enemy action when bombs fell on Whitehall in WW2. Years later, someone cleverly realised that if a man or woman served abroad in the First War, then they were almost certainly awarded a campaign medal. And those records survived the bombing. This is a database of those Medal Rolls, all 5.5 million men and women, including those who died, all on one site. It came on line in Jan 04, and should now be complete. To send for an image of one particular record, the cost is GBP3.50, payable by credit card online. A wonderful resource, found at the National Archives, ie, Kew Records Centre in London. Of course, you can also come to us in here in the Sutton & Wawne Museum, where we have access to those same archives. Bring a memory stick and take an image of your relative's medal card away with you. The Long, Long Trail - a massive site giving many Regimental, Corps and Battalion locations, specifically for the 1914-1918 War. Invaluable if you know the unit your forefather was in, but don't know where he went. Gives some very useful starting clues. For instance, if you know your man was in the East Yorkshires, and there was family talk of Salonika and fighting the Turks, then you have a lead on his being in either the 2nd or 6th Battalions - both of which served in the disastrous Dardanelles campaign.
WW2 - NAVY, ARMY & AIR
FORCE LISTS - all officers THE NOT FORGOTTEN ASSOCIATION . . . a Tri-Service Charity, "which provides entertainment, leisure and recreation for the serving wounded, injured or sick and for ex-service men and women with disabilities," to quote directly from their website. Incredibly, they were founded around the same time as the Royal British Legion, being founded in 1922. Today's patron, since 2000, is HRH The Princess Royal, and the charity is also supported by 'Help for Heroes.' They help around 12,000 people a year. Naturally, their emblem is an elephant. Elephants never forget, do they. A good choice. RBL - Support & Recovery Help . . . . The vast majority of links on these pages are to assist families, whether doing their family history or not, to discover more about their parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles of their relative's former service in the service of this country. This link is meant to assist today's UK former and retired servicemen and women. If that's you, and you're seeing this and struggling to know where to go, where to turn, who can help, even who wants to help, give this a click and make the move. This page is meant as a sort of "Thank You" for their service, what they gave, and it can be just as much a "Thank You" to you reading this now as well. It's the only thing we can do, to help you to find help. And hope it works for you, along with our very Best Wishes. No judgements, no pre-conceptions, just do it - go on, CLICK .. ... . . and for former USA service personnel ... REHABNET.com ... this link is meant you too ... ... both links open in a new window. NATIONAL MARITIME MUSEUM - in Greenwich holds records for casualty lists of merchant shipping losses. This goes to the Collections page, because the Home Page didn't seem to be working when I tried it, showing an error (29/01/05). NAVAL HISTORY NET ... a truly incredible and valuable resource, and growing. Devised and provided by Gordon Smith as a tribute to his father, killed at sea in WW2, and also his grandfather, who served in both world wars. It lists EVERY naval casualty of the RN and Dominion Navies - including Royal Marines - who were killed or died, by enemy action or by accident, whilst in service at sea, or on a shore station, including between the wars. For instance, it is incredible how many men, and women, we lost just to road accidents in foreign ports. Also lists all our warships, where they served, what happened to them, in fact, just about all you want to know about our Royal Navy history. It's sobering to see lists of dead, day by day as we go through the months of war, and see listed the whole ship's company of sometimes hundreds of men, often designated as MPK - missing presumed killed - but the exact fate of that ship is still unknown, just that she was sunk or bombed and was lost without trace with all hands - very, very moving. CONVOY WEB ... the link to Naval History above does also link to this, but this link takes you directly to this superb site. WW2 naval historians will be beside themselves with joy here. Every convoy of WW2, all their code letters, dates and ports of departure and arrival, names of ships within the convoys, sometimes numbers of troops aboard troopships. When researching, the site makes one good point to remember, will save a lot of time later to emphasise it here; troops were frequently embarked aboard their troopships some days before the actual date of sailing shown in the archives , typically three or four days. Similarly, on arrival, troops may be another day or so before actual disembarkation. Generally, a Magnificent Site, and should be far better known. MAST - Royal Navy loss list .... from the beginning of time. A huge archive of over 5,000 Royal Navy vessel losses, whether by enemy action, or storms, foundered, a collision, etc, over a period of some 300-400 yrs. Compiled by the Maritime Archaeological Sea Trust, dedicated to mapping and recording all of the UK's naval heritage. This is a direct link to their huge database, though if you scroll through their top menu you will access a great deal of their wider maritime research interests. This database is really good for more obscure information on RN vessels pre-1914, in other wars. Whereas the NavalHistory link above gives a great deal more detail on WW1 & WW2 RN losses, the two sites can be used for cross-reference. If a ship in your family history is not listed here, then it was not 'lost' in RN service, it survived somehow to be later sold or scrapped. A very useful resource .... and it's FREE! ROYAL NAVAL MUSEUM - at HM Naval Base, Portsmouth. Lots of info on HMS Victory, HMS M.33, plus a features on the Dardanelles Campaign of 1915 marking the centenary, plus much more. Includes links to history and records for Royal Marines. Also see next entry below. FLEET AIR ARM MUSEUM - at RNAS Yeovilton, Somerset, will change your perception of aircraft Museums. The Museum has the largest collection of Naval aircraft anywhere in Europe, together with the first British built Concorde which you can go aboard and visit the cockpit. Find out more by exploring this Web Site and then see us for yourself. Connections to our area of the East Riding are through 'Blackburns' at Brough, who of course built many seaplanes and naval aircraft, including the Buccaneer. ROYAL MARINES MUSEUM - the RM Museum used to be at Eastney Barracks, Southsea. They are in the process of moving to a new museum site within the historic Portsmouth Dockyard. To help fund that, an application was made to the National Lottery Fund for funding to facilitate the move. Would you believe this, but they were TURNED DOWN! So they now have to appeal to the public on their new website for donations to raise '5M by themselves. In the meantime, there is no Royal Marines Museum to visit. I still can't credit that. What has our nation come to? A sad shadow of its former self. Families of former 'Bootnecks' will be disgusted, no doubt. ROYAL
NAVAL PATROL SERVICE
ASSOCIATION -
shown here because so many men
from Hull and the Humber ports
volunteered, often as whole
crews together in much the
same fashion as the Pals
Battalions in the army of the
Great War, that I thought it
proper to have a direct link.
There's a picture of the RNPS
Memorial at Lowestoft, as well
as their museum and HQ in what
was HMS Europa in Sparrow's
Nest Gardens in Lowestoft. The
memorial overlooks both the
gardens and the sea.
AIRCREW REMEMBRANCE
SOCIETY -
speaks for itself, a very
worthy site to be added here.
It runs on donations from
members of the public and
indeed is reliant upon the
public for increasing their
total library of information.
It's a non-political site
dedicated to perpetuating the
memory of aircrew lost mainly
during the Second World War.
YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY ABLE TO
SEE ... the very
bottom of this page for
links to wartime issues of
"FLIGHT - Service Aviation"
issued to RAF and FAA
personnel. It was very
useful for lists of
casualties, honours and
awards, etc.
RAF Records Office -
for links for addresses for
service records of all
personnel.
The National Army Museum -
in Royal Hospital Road,
London. The Veterans' Agency - an MOD site with lots more links and information. Top of Page
DEMS Gunners - this link is the best first step to find information on these often overlooked men, by searching on Wikipedia. DEMS stood for 'Defensively Armed Merchant Ships', and any relatives that have come across references to a man being part of the ship's company of a vessel called HMS PRESIDENT III will want to know about this. For PRESIDENT was simply an old steam ship moored in the Thames, and she's still there with her yellow funnel, and can now be hired for functions and parties. But in WW2, PRESIDENT was the pay HQ of all naval ratings assigned to merchant ships for gunnery protection against German subs and aircraft. More than a few of these men lost their lives on some unheard of merchant ship or tramp steamer, and the only record left is of their name inscribed on the RN memorial and as having supposedly served on HMS PRESIDENT. In the vast majority of cases, they never set foot aboard her, or even knew where this ship was. "London, somewhere, on the Thames so they say", may well be the best answer a chap got if he asked. There was a lot more to their stories than that, very complicated and all wrapped up in the British government's desire to be seen to be observing the rule of war whilst still giving our merchant seamen some protection. The Americans were far less squeamish, and called their USN gunnery ratings 'Armed Guards'. Often, they served together on the same ships with Royal Navy personnel, as we 'loaned' the Americans some of our DEMS gunners. So it's worth seeking out Armed Guard websites too. If you have a relative that was killed at sea, apparently on an American merchant ship, the chances are he was really a Royal Naval rating trained as a DEMS gunner on smaller calibre guns, like 3" or the famous anti-aircraft Oerlikon, or in the early days, even mounted Lewis guns of WW1 vintage. They really were fighting against all the odds and were very brave men indeed. Many would go on to find themselves taking on a squadron of Luftwaffe Stukas armed with nothing more than an ageing WW1 machine gun, and many lost that unequal battle doing it. Others simply died in their sleep when torpedoed, or drowned in abandoning ship. For those who have never even heard of DEMS gunners, just knowing what they were will help. CONVOYWEB - I can't recommend or praise this site enough. If you have been researching anyone who served in the Royal or Merchant Navy and trying to trace ships, convoys, movements around the globe in those vital years 1939-1945, then this site is a real find. And free. A good example is when looking for a DEMS gunner detailed above. If you know the name of the ship, or when your relative sailed or arrived, or ports he mentioned, you have a good chance of finding out even more. Even if you have no ship, but have dates or port of departure, you still have a chance. In many cases, it's more a question of a process of elimination. When looking for those killed, the CWGC site will name the ship, and more details may then be on the equally incredible Naval History site, and the "Casualty Researches of Don Kindell". All those killed in action, missing presume killed (mpk), died of wounds (DOW) or just died of illness whilst part of a ships company, all are listed for the RN and Dominion navies. Even those killed in road accidents when ashore are listed. KINGSTON UPON HULL WAR MEMORIAL 1914 - 1918 A
more complete story of Hull
in World War One . . . a
totally marvellous and
phenomenal new website
dedicated to honouring every
single one of all the men of
Hull who lost their lives in
the First World War. It
really is an amazing
resource, with losses even
listed by street name as
well as by service, regiment
or ship. An incredible
amount of information here,
all researched and put
together by Hull WW1
historian Paul Bishop. It
will certainly be well used
by folks here at the Sutton
& Wawne Museum, and I
wholeheartedly recommend it
as a new resource to use
alongside the existing ones,
such as Hull & East
Riding at War listed above.
Thank you Paul.
THE
DINSDALE LISTS for HULL
1914 - 1918
THE YORKSHIRE REGIMENT
THE SECRET LISTENERS - a website dedicated to the army of WW2 'secret radio listeners' who used their own amateur radio sets to firstly listen out for German spies here in Britain from 1940 onwards, but more importantly who later discovered the wealth of secret German High Command radio traffic in their 'uncrackable' five-letter codes. A truly amazing story, one that will especially fascinate anyone with an interest in radio and its early history.
EDEN CAMP
- If you didn't live through
these wars, but want to know
more about the privations
and hardships your family
had to bear on the 'Home
Front', or experience a
little of the atmosphere of
the times, then you should
visit this excellent museum
just outside Malton. I use
the word "experience"
advisedly - you will not
feel the real fear and cold
and pain, but you may come
to understand a little, just
a little. You may have had
older relatives no longer
with us who told you
something of those years,
and they, perhaps, were very
descriptive. Perhaps you
doubted them, considered
their stories somewhat
exaggerated. Remember this
if you go to Eden Camp - as
you pay your money to go in,
you know you will be
coming out. Also, you
have the benefit of 70 years
of history that tells us
that, not only did Britain
and the free world win, but
that we were right to do
what we did. Your forebears
neither knew for certain we
were going to win, until
roughly 1943-44, and for
much of the war, most didn't
really know what was going
on elsewhere. To put it
simply, folks in Coventry
and London, suffering as
they did, had no idea that
Hull was having it just as
bad - because no-one told
them, except by heresay, and
that was just rumour when
all said and done. Men
falling on the field of
battle at El Alamein were
not to know that their
sacrifice was to be a
turning point, that history
would deem their actions,
even in death, helped to
turn a perilous corner. For those of
you that did experience all
this, and served, and though
frightened to death, still
went back off leave for
another dose of what you
knew was coming, still went
out at night firewatching,
still went to work daily not
knowing if your work was
still there, still ushered
your family and children
down the shelters almost
nightly, I salute you - !
And so should everyone else.
Most of us will never know,
let alone repay, the debt
that we owe you. TO SUM UP . . .. . . and a few more tips to searchingAll these above sites will contain many, many links to lead you further on into your research. Also remember that there are hundreds if not thousands of websites posted by individuals, service veterans, their families, that document particular regiments, squadrons, or ships. Since I first wrote this, there has been a massive increase in the number of blogs, forums, and private memories online. It really is incredible just what can be found. Use GOOGLE and enter basic details : for instance, enter SQUADRON 160 RAF CEYLON - and see what pops up. You'll find some instances of where ex-aircrew have posted up actual reports of Air Accident Investigations for losses of individual aircraft. There's information now on the web for all to see that was not given or available to the relatives of lost servicemen at the time of their deaths. Similarly, search for ships by name, especially the more famous ones - type "HMS HOOD" and use the inverted commas to force a search for the whole name. Many names are thoroughly ambiguous, such as the county class cruisers like the SUFFOLK and DORSETSHIRE - you need to box a bit clever with these, and add the name of the theatre of war, or action, or enemy ship they were engaged with. Type SUFFOLK BISMARCK and see what pops up. There are 57,000 references, the vast majority pointing to the ships themselves, though some will coincidentally be referring to the county of Suffolk and some gentry that was related to Count von Bismarck himself. Also with ships, after loading the links, another worthwhile search is for an IMAGE SEARCH. I did it and the first four pictures are of the Royal Navy cruiser SUFFOLK herself, and the fifth was a pic of her Swordfish aircraft taken from the film, SINK THE BISMARCK, starring Kenneth More. The ways of searching are endless. Type 4TH BTN
NORTHANTS - and dozens of
links pop up that contain
references to that
particular unit in that
county regiment, some of
which will link to the
regimental museum itself. If
you have the name of a
particular action or battle,
type it in - eg SOMME
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE, and also
use NORTHANTS, as when a
battalion is referred to,
the colloquial terminology
is often used to shorten the
county name - for instance,
a man would have said he was
in - "the 4th Northants, the
1st Leicesters, or the 8th
Warwicks." Ever heard of Jan Baalsrud ? Those few of you who have read the 1955 book "We Die Alone" will know who I mean. He was a Norwegian Resistance Fighter during WW II. He had one of the most amazing experiences and escapes ever told, and his sheer strength and endurance is an epic tale in itself, let alone naked courage. What would you make of a man who amputated his own toes? Well, 9 - all bar one of them. If you want to know more, go to the Google.com search engine, and type in "Jan Baalsrud", just like that, in inverted commas. Up will pop plenty of links. What a story - get the book; it was re-published in the early 1990's. I spent several years not quite believing it, and only found it was true on the Internet, when I saw a photo of Jan with King Haakon. There's more to this story than I'm telling - I'm not giving the end away - see for yourself. The best read you'll ever have. A real hero, in anyone's book! Young ladies should note that REAL men used to be built like this years ago. Well, that's almost enough to be going on with. There's more than enough here to keep most of you up for an hour or two.
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